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HelicopterCentury Radikal G20-30 N640 Hawk Predator › can the hawk sport handle a hyper 50?
11-21-2006 01:48 AM  11 years agoPost 1
ozbach

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I was wondering what I need to do, and if they have the parts available to convert my 30 too a 50?...I already converted too a new torque tube drive..I love the way the hawk flies, its just a little underpowered, for what I want, after flying my converted rappy 30 too a 50, which was a easy conversion...and MAN!..that hyper 50 kicks you know what..Im spoiled now and want the hawk to have some balls too!

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11-21-2006 06:36 AM  11 years agoPost 2
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yes,, it will work, if you do a search or scroll back a few pages you will find a lot of info,,

you will need

1) 14 tooth Drive Gear,,, (CN2224)

2) 50 Motor Mount,,,,,,,,,, (HW3018)

3) 50 size muffler

to fly 600 blades you will need,,,

4) 50 Boom,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, (HW3062A)

5) 50 Torque Tube,,,,,,,,,,,, (HW3063AS)

6) Tail Pitch Control Rod,, (HW3064F)

did I miss anything guys ??

Jim

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11-21-2006 06:38 AM  11 years agoPost 3
marked23

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... And a governor.

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11-21-2006 06:42 AM  11 years agoPost 4
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oh,, I don't know how the 5mm feathering shaft will hold up to the 600 blades, you may have to upgrade the 5mm feathering shaft to the 6mm shaft with thrust bearings..

yeea, I agree, if your going to use 550 or 570 blades use a governor..

Jim

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11-22-2006 08:51 PM  11 years agoPost 5
perfesser zero

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Wasp...

did I miss anything guys ??
Yeah: 50 sized motor

BTW, what's the cost on all these parts? Is it about the same as a new HP kit? At this point wouldn't it just be more advisable to go the Raven/Falcon route? Just asking... I've considered it myself, but the need for all those parts and an engine to go with it could get pricey. I think if I wanted do the Century 50 sized heli thingie, I'd just go straight to the Raven or Falcon.

Later...

Scott!

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Hawk Sport - OS 37SZ-H
Raptor 30 - OS 37SZ-H
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11-22-2006 09:49 PM  11 years agoPost 6
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""what's the cost on all these parts?"",,,,, OK, part numbers are here,,

1) 14 tooth Drive Gear,,, (CN2224) ,,, $8

2) 50 Motor Mount,,,,,,,,,, (HW3018) ,,, $13

3) 50 size muffler

to fly 600 blades you will need,,,

4) 50 Boom,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, (HW3062A) ,,, $11

5) 50 Torque Tube,,,,,,,,,,,, (HW3063AS) ,,, $29

6) Tail Pitch Control Rod,, (HW3064F) ,,, $9

add another $55 for a Muffler and $75 for Century's Silver blades,,,, it all come's to $200,,

""At this point wouldn't it just be more advisable to go the Raven/Falcon"",,, I feel yes, it would,,,

so a Raven would be another $180 over the $200 price above, to me $180 would be well the some $270 in upgrades that come on the Raven,, but then if the Hawk was sold for a given price, say $200 with an OS 32, then you would have $20 in your pocket for more goodies, a plus

even if the Hawk is not sold, the complete Raven kit is well worth $180..

Jim

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11-22-2006 10:12 PM  11 years agoPost 7
automan

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Scott,

Interesting you should ask! I just finish putting together a spread sheet that does the same comparision you're talking about. Based on the prices I plugged in, I determined that I could buy a $400 Falcon kit by spending only another $55 as compaired to buying all the pieces/parts ($345) that would turn a Hawk into a Falcon. If you would like to look at the break down, PM me your email address and I'll send you the spread sheet. Actually, I would appreciate you double checking the inventory and prices I put together.

I think I came up with about the same thing Jim did - just from a little different angle. The $345 I came up with includes the prices of the parts you would be getting on the Falcon that I doubt you currently have on your Hawk (Jim also, makes reference to this in his post).
-Dan

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11-22-2006 10:39 PM  11 years agoPost 8
automan

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OOoops!

I think I missed a couple of upgrades - may need to recompute - stay tuned.

Hey Jim, what am I missing from this upgrade list! I used a Falcon for comparison which of course isn't eCCPM. This may account for the $30 difference between your $270 and my $240.

CN2556 CNC Rotor Hub/Guide..................$33.00
CN2221 6mm feathering shaft/TB's............$40.00
CN2232 4mm flybar......................................$23.00
CN2282P Metal Tail Pitch Plate..................$29.00
CN2235 triple ball bearing tail assembly....$40.00
HI3010A Machined Clutch Bell & Lining.....$20.00
CN2263A Constant drive tail........................$55.00
............................................................Total...$240.00

-Dan

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11-22-2006 11:37 PM  11 years agoPost 9
perfesser zero

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automan...

Well in my case some of that stuff is already on my Hawk, but for most folks it isn't.

CN2556 CNC Rotor Hub/Guide...........$33.00 > got the R/F version
CN2221 6mm feathering shaft/TB's.....$40.00 > got this
CN2232 4mm flybar....................$23.00 > don't have this
CN2282P Metal Tail Pitch Plate.......$29.00 > don't have this
CN2235 triple ball bearing tail assembly....$40.00 > don't have this
HI3010A Machined Clutch Bell & Lining.....$20.00 > got this
CN2263A Constant drive tail..........$55.00 > don't have this

So I wouldn't be in as bad a shape as someone with a Hawk Pro going to a Raven/Falcon, but not allot better. I like the Hawk I'm flying now as I have gotten it to where I feel really comfortable with it (very mild 3D) and with my Raptor 30. They are both my beater heli's (both are down right now for repairs. Hawk still needs main rotor blades and the Raptor needs a whole new head and rotor blades...crash!!! Ouch that's going to hurt! Don't like plastic rotor heads.) I don't think I'll go the distance on the Hawk or the Raptor upgrade simply for the cost. If I go with anything I'll go with a new 50 sized heli and be done with it. Just my opinion.

Later...

Scott!

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Hawk Sport - OS 37SZ-H
Raptor 30 - OS 37SZ-H
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11-22-2006 11:39 PM  11 years agoPost 10
trevorz

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Hi,

Yes, those upgrades are pretty necessary to get the Sport to handle the power of the 50. The thrust bearings in the head and bigger flybar and better tail area all needed.

It is simply not enough to just get the bigger motor to fit.

I looked at doing this a while ago with another heli, and found that I could sell the 30 and buy the 50 for just about par with upgrading the old heli, and I got a new machine. After all, what are you going to do with that 30 engine anyway?

So, do yourself a favour (IMO) and just buy the new machine.

Regards,
Trevor.

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11-22-2006 11:44 PM  11 years agoPost 11
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the Falcon's all metal swash is an upgrade over the Hawk's plastic swash..

Jim

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11-23-2006 12:45 AM  11 years agoPost 12
automan

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Jim - Thanks for reminding me about the swash!

Based on what I've put together, it looks like buying the parts to do a .50 conversion (minus engine and pipe) plus the upgrades to make it a Falcon will cost you and additional $65 over just buying the Falcon kit.

$180 - conversion to a .50 machine
$285 - value of upgrades in a Falcon
$465 = Total cost of turning a stock Hawk Pro into a Raven

As other's have pointed out - it looks like a "no brainer".

Scott - spread sheet will be emailed shortly.

Dan

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11-23-2006 02:21 AM  11 years agoPost 13
AussiJohn

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Hi guys, I have converted my Hawk to falcon as have many people here... Can anyone honestly say now, that it was a good thing to do? I reckon I should have bought the raven and had 2 helis. We live and learn.

Good luck either way

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11-24-2006 05:07 AM  11 years agoPost 14
perfesser zero

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Hawk conversion...

All of my comments on this topic have been aimed at costs. Do the math and you'll find a conversion is not a good use of cash. However, like most of us (me included) we don't have piles of cash hiding in a closet to spend on a new heli and or bling upgrades and find that a slow progression to a higher level heli makes sense even if it does end up costing more in the long run. I've spent quite a bit on the upgrades I have on my Hawk, but they've been bought over two years time. Should I have bought the Falcon/Raven in the first place...Yep! I didn't though and now I feel that I can afford a F/R and if that's what I decide to do, that's what I'll do this time around. But! to each his own. It's really what makes you happy and you can afford to spend t the time of purchase. Remember, it's just a hobby!

Later...

Scott!

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Hawk Sport - OS 37SZ-H
Raptor 30 - OS 37SZ-H
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11-24-2006 05:27 PM  11 years agoPost 15
ozbach

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Well, I guess i should just sell it then, I converted my raptor 30 into a 50 for cheap, and just love the performance on it now, If Century cant offer conversions kits at a fair price then I might as well sell this one, It would make a perfect heli for some one learning, or scale flying, but after flying all my other helis, Its a bit too tame for me now...so maybe it needs another home...thanks for the info guys!...be watchng e-bay for a hawk sport for cheap!!!

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12-16-2006 02:13 AM  11 years agoPost 16
COOKIEULT70

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Is the longer boom really required if you use a governor and only 570mm blades? And if you do go to the longer boom would you also need bigger tail blades?

GAHH!!! Someone call 911!! My wallet is bleading heli parts!!

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12-16-2006 02:54 AM  11 years agoPost 17
Max_Power

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This seems to be a popular conversion, I just finished putting mine together. Dont forget you'll need a torque tube coupler and a tail input shaft to match as well as the hawk pro torque tube is only dogboned at the front. I thought about getting the Raven or falcon kit as well, but opted to get the new metal head setup(all alum except swash and grips now) and a few other cnc goodies(fin mount,tail pitch slider) instead of getting a raven/falcoln kit for the "spares" it would leave, as I already had some blades,etc. About the same cash layout... All I feel I need now for the heli to be "stacked" is a better swash, and the triple bearing tail set which I did'nt get because everyone seems to be out right now.......Todd

Take heed in thy rotor speed, Lest the Earth reach up and smacketh thee!!

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