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11-20-2006 04:58 PM  11 years agoPost 21
Awamori

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Minot, ND

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Yeap...that might be my very problem. I'm good for like 15min then I'm completely bored. I never get bored with the real heli but crashes increase bigtime when I start cranking on the 600 with little practice. For sure I will slowly increase my sim time so I don't burn out. Hopefully a new simulator will spark things up.

Worst part is I just gave my G2 simulator to my brother for his B-day. Only after I bought the Pheonix sim. Have heard mixed reviews, but they talk like it's the one on trex tuning. If it sucks I'm going with the Reflex for sure. It has to be better than G2 at the very least.

Sorry poster for the slight hi-jack.

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11-20-2006 05:10 PM  11 years agoPost 22
bexusflexus

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Tulsa, OK

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HaHa, you guys are going to love this. I think I found the source of my problem sitting down in the bottom of my toolbox. My two velcro straps that I use to hold the battery on the battery tray were not in place. The velcro on the battery tray holds the battery fine in upright flight, but it does tend to pull up when I pull the battery off for recharging. I'm thinking my battery shifted in a big way and literally dragged me into the ground.

What do you guys think?

even not doing anything would have been better than nothing...

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11-20-2006 06:11 PM  11 years agoPost 23
smoothound

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Lancing, West Sussex, UK.

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Awamori,

Phoenix is certainly as good as Reflex, maybe better, especially without the "attitude" associated with Reflex

I still have and use both, it's a tough call but there are things that turn me off Reflex and onto Phoenix but of course Phoenix is new and currenty up proven...

Phil

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11-22-2006 04:03 AM  11 years agoPost 24
hotgluedheli

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Be careful increasing cyclic too much. I did that and didn't check for clearance first before I lifted off. I tried tilting the heli back and forth and down she came with a broken metal washout lever, bent links and a snapped head pin. About $50 damage. This hobby is as expensive and addictive as crack cocaine.. not that I would know about the latter.

I crash therefore I am

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11-22-2006 07:41 AM  11 years agoPost 25
Rogan

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bexusflexus

Whenever my battery has come off it's been caught in the canopy. There's only about an inch of movement, so it's unlikely.

Just increase your cyclic, as someone else mentioned, and remove any flybar weights.

I'm sure someone else will have better info, but you need to take care that you're not mixing in any collective as you're flipping. It might be the case that you held in positive too long, or added negative too early.

I had a similar experience to you on my first flip. I did one fine (yay) so I started firing them off like you can easily do in the sim. On the third one I got my timing all wrong and it just ACCELERATED into the ground.

Just show the heli more respect and you'll be fine. The biggest failing of the sim IMO is that in the beginning it inspires false confidence in your abilities. It's kinda like painting: when you're little you get finger paints, and you think you're pretty damn good. Then you get a paintbrush and thump it into the paper like you were using your finger.

You have all the basic instructions in your head... just take it easy. Try a flip then try to do a really clean fig 8, then maybe try something else you've learned on the sim (carefully), then try to do another really clean fig8.

Joy.

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11-22-2006 01:43 PM  11 years agoPost 26
AlanR8

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Saddleworth near Manchester (UK)

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From the way you originally described what happened it sounds like you were too slow taking the collective back so as the heli started it's roll it got pulled into the ground.

My XL rolls fast and true on a standard 3D set-up with no tweaks to the cyclic pitch. Neither do I need expo on the cyclics, it will almost hover hands free!

Regarding the sim, I use that Raptor 90 as my model of choice in Reflex but I slowed the roll rate down a tad as I found the default was just too fast, nothing like my real R90. Autos for fun though!

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11-22-2006 05:25 PM  11 years agoPost 27
bexusflexus

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Tulsa, OK

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Rogan, AlanR8,

I'm thinking my battery falling off theory is not correct now. I went to an LHS and got on a G3.5 sim using the MX400 model and did the roll the same way that I did it for real w/my Rex. I couldn't believe what happened on the sim; the same exact thing that happened to my Trex.

Doing a roll on FMS is very different from doing one on the G3.5. I couldn't believe it! I don't remember there being this much diff between FMS and G3 the last time I tried it. Boy was I wrong. I'm going to scrap FMS and get a "real" sim. This crash has ended up costing over $100 so far. Lost two HS65 and the other things as listed earlier.

even not doing anything would have been better than nothing...

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11-22-2006 05:49 PM  11 years agoPost 28
rky5

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Oak Hills california

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I never used a sim.
I just take it up "really really high" (nothing to hit but clouds) and try it on my Blade Cp first .If I can do it on the Blade ..... I can do it easy on the Trex.
I tried the sim in the LHS a couple times but It just never seems the same at all to me.

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11-22-2006 06:19 PM  11 years agoPost 29
oopsididitagain

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Dubai

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rky5: with the bcp sitting so high , dont u have trouble bringing it back down?.... is it stock or with brushless setup>?

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11-22-2006 10:08 PM  11 years agoPost 30
caseyjholmes

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Portland, Oregon

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dont u have trouble bringing it back down?
Just hit the right (or left) stick till you see it falling. Coming down isn't the hard part, it's staying off the ground that gets me

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11-23-2006 01:54 AM  11 years agoPost 31
bexusflexus

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Tulsa, OK

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Sheesh this is getting ridiculous now. Crashed again. Heli went crazy and crashed into brick wall tail in. I think the drive belt stripped some teeth and gave up the ghost, probably belt damaged from the previous crash. I inspected it and it looked ok before I flew.

Fortunately, didn't lose any electronics, but did lose some plastic tail components. Main blades vaporized. Tail blades survived but a little scuffed. Tail shaft bent. Battery tray broke off again, landing gear broken (two flights on that). Canopy survived w/out a scratch. The most amazing part is the feathering shaft, main shaft, and related bearings all survived. Now that's a first.

I am relenting and going to buy a good sim. Been following the talk of sims in this post and I am leaning toward Phoenix. Reflex is an extremely close second and G3.5 a distant third (think its silly to have to buy all those expansion packs to get decent helis).

I have used G3.5 but neither of the other two. Does anyone have anything to add that might sway me one way or the other? Thanks.

even not doing anything would have been better than nothing...

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