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11-21-2006 10:28 PM  11 years agoPost 21
raptorheli2

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rip off britain and no changing it

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pretty expensive???they are about 40 bucks. thats about the cheapest one i know. the fromeco 8 ball is slightly more.

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11-21-2006 11:09 PM  11 years agoPost 22
NewHeli

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Well I was looking around at NiCds, and it appears they would way more than a li-ion and regulator combined...and on a 60 lighter is probably better! Still looking for suggestions...the popular vote seems to be going to fromeco, though. I found this on their website, though, regarding the arizona regulator:

*The Pin Flag switch has a matching Neon Yellow Female jack, (Pictured at the top of the page). A normal "Off the Shelf" type switch will not work in place of our Pin Flag switch unless certain modifications are made.

Does this mean I have to use the pin flag? Or are they refering to a different type of switch?

Nathaniel

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11-21-2006 11:18 PM  11 years agoPost 23
raptorheli2

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rip off britain and no changing it

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the lith packs are nearly half the weight of a 3300mah nimh i had on my raptor 50.

if money is your primary concern here (looks like it might be) then get a good sub c pack for your 60 and live with charging it.

if it was me i would buy the pin flag, fromeco 4800 and arizona. if you don't want the arizona then get their normal regulator and save some money. i have one of these and it works perfectly and you use a normal switch on this one, you do lose the ability for dual voltage however. it's not expensive upgrade. i have 3 fromeco setups, 2 of them on my synergys and none of them have the upgraded wires but all have the pin flag with arizona. thats just my preference.

you will need to throw some coin at this setup but you will not regret it one bit.

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11-21-2006 11:49 PM  11 years agoPost 24
JAGNZ

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I now run the Arizona and Peerless packs on my nitro birds and have never looked back. Fuel and fly all day, til my nerves are shot anyway. I use the Futaba heavy duty switch (no pin flag) and you have to cut and solder a couple of the leads to make the loop up but it's easy as.


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11-22-2006 12:47 AM  11 years agoPost 25
littleman

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Why dont you want the pin?
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11-22-2006 01:13 AM  11 years agoPost 26
NewHeli

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Well, my current switch position is nice and neat and tidy, I'd like to keep it that way if possible...but I guess the flag wouldn't be the end of the world...but it is an extra 7.50...on the other hand I'm not very good at soldering...

Nathaniel

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11-22-2006 01:44 AM  11 years agoPost 27
littleman

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from everything you have said/are saying Tanic looks like the way to roll.
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11-22-2006 01:26 PM  11 years agoPost 28
SubSailor

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Nathaniel,
You don't have to have the pin flag switch, just a lot of people like it. Personally I don't use them, heres what I do: Just get an old JR female plug and snip the signal wire at the base of the plug. Strip the pos and neg wire about 1/4 inch and twist the two together, then solder them together(it's very easy, you can do it). Then I put heat shrink over the two wires, then another piece of heat shrink over them again. Then I get a larger piece of heat shrink and shrink it over the plug and down the wires so that I have about a 2-3" "handle" hanging off of the plug. I then just zip tie the yellow plug to the frame somewhere so I have easy access to it and walla, your done! Easy and is free if you have a spare JR plug, if not you can get one at your LHS for a couple of bucks. Works like a charm. Hope I was able to explain it clear enough.

John

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11-22-2006 01:52 PM  11 years agoPost 29
Raptor Rulezzz

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Well, my current switch position is nice and neat and tidy, I'd like to keep it that way if possible...but I guess the flag wouldn't be the end of the world...but it is an extra 7.50...on the other hand I'm not very good at soldering
If you want to keep it that way you can also look at the duralite setups:

http://www.duralitebatteries.com

I've been using them for years with 0 problems, also great customer service when problems do occur.

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Richard



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11-22-2006 03:11 PM  11 years agoPost 30
pphil611

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South Dakota

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Alot of advice here on this thread. Ill throw my two cents in too.

I changed to lithium a year ago and Im real happy.
ElectroDynamics,Inc. (electrodynam.com)
Regulator Pro EDR1181 (Good for 10 Amps)@ 5.1 Volts $32.95.
Power Bus Pro EDR 111, $79.95.
Two Heavy duty switches EDC 1771 $16.00.

I use a 600 Ma battery to the Rx, and connect all servos to the EDR
111 which is powered by the lithim battery 3200 Ma @ 7.4 Volts. Depending on flight times, usually fly most of the day.

Spectra-G, MAH, CSM

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11-22-2006 03:43 PM  11 years agoPost 31
SubSailor

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Well, my current switch position is nice and neat and tidy, I'd like to keep it that way if possible...but I guess the flag wouldn't be the end of the world...but it is an extra 7.50...on the other hand I'm not very good at soldering
If you want to keep it that way you can also look at the duralite setups:
Fromeco offers those switches as well, just didn't think he wanted to spend the extra $$ those switches cost, most don't. If you really want to keep your orginal switch you can do that but you'll have to take it apart and do a little bit of rewiring and some soldering.

John

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11-22-2006 08:09 PM  11 years agoPost 32
flyingquisinart

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The Fromeco site doesn't give options for Futaba plugs, only JR. Am I missing something? Would I have to splice Futaba plugs?

must have been a downdraft

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11-22-2006 08:16 PM  11 years agoPost 33
raptorheli2

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rip off britain and no changing it

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nope, they all fit. the reason for jr plugs is they fit everything.

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11-22-2006 08:19 PM  11 years agoPost 34
flyingquisinart

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Thanks! I didn't know that. I could have sworn that I've chose between JR and Futaba on batteries before--maybe not?

must have been a downdraft

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11-22-2006 08:22 PM  11 years agoPost 35
raptorheli2

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rip off britain and no changing it

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the only difference is the charging of JR radio versus futaba. one has pos opposite from other. this has no effect on rx or tx batts though. it's all internal and the jr plugs will work fine for you on the fromeco stuff, or any stuff for that matter.

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11-22-2006 09:05 PM  11 years agoPost 36
eyeflyhelis

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charlotte nc

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i just switched over to lipo from nicads and i went to a 3s 35oo mah lipo which (on paper) should give me consistant flight up to 25 with out recharging and its still lighter that the 1800 5c cell nicad. i am usung a ubec to 5v and table testing it never varies.

only you have the power to make no difference!

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11-22-2006 09:52 PM  11 years agoPost 37
basmntdweller

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I was a bit leary of using Lipos in my helis but after a full year of use in my planks, I tried them in my helis and have flown all this past season without any issues. I went the cheapest route I could go just to push the limits. I got a 2500mah two cell Lipo pack and a Maxx products voltage regualtor as a package from Common Sense RC. It was about $42. I leave the pack in the heli but I don't leave the heli unattended during charging. That is in my R50. I got a 3800mah pack just recently and it went in my Fury with another Maxx Prod regulator. I got a deal on the battery and found a good source for the regs so that setup only cost me $38.50. I also found some Li-ion cells at batteryspace.com for $4.95 each for 2000mah cells. For $20 I can solder up a four cell, 4000 mah pack that's not much heavier than a standard 4 cell 500 nicad pack.
Until one of the Maxx regs lets me down, I'll continue to use them. Both helis are full digital servos.
Matt

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11-22-2006 10:43 PM  11 years agoPost 38
NewHeli

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AJ, does tanic only make Li-polys, and no Li-Ions? I'd rather take a lipo out of the heli and that would get old and would put wear on the canopy...

I think I know what you mean about the switch, John. I'm also wondering, does the regulator/battery have a separate charge lead like a normal switch, or do you have to remove the canopy anyways to get to the battery connection and charge it through that?

Also, I've done some searching, looks like you can get around 10 flights or maybe more with a 4800 mah...how about a 2400?

Thanks guys, you're helping a lot

Nathaniel

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11-23-2006 03:00 AM  11 years agoPost 39
kingair200

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one word, FROMECO PEERLESS.
ok, that was two words.
oh yea, one more word for you.......
CUSTOMER SUPPORT!!!!!
i know, i know....

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11-23-2006 02:35 PM  11 years agoPost 40
SubSailor

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Hey Nathaniel,

I feel like you do about Lipo's, just don't want to risk it and don't want to remove them to charge, to much work(I'm lazy). I have seen a few pictures of what happens when they go pop in a heli, pretty much an entire loss.

The regulator does have a seperate charge lead, I have mine so I can reach it without having to remove the canopy, makes life easy. I usually charge at .5C or so to preserve battery life and I'm usually in no hurry.

Keep in mind that you can modify your stock switch to work if you like, just take a little bit of work but not much at all. I still think using a single female JR plug works great and is super easy. Let me know if you have anymore questions or need anything.

Happy Thanksgiving!!

John

And one more thing, the Peerless batteries are fantastic but if you want to save a few bucks the Relions are also fantastic cells. These were top of the line cells just a short while ago and are still flown by many pilots still. Very basic, rugged build so less to go wrong in a "mishap".

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