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03-11-2006 11:08 AM  11 years agoPost 1
yrag

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Hi

I have just got the swift deal from revolution models in UK. It came with a non dscript motor (looks like a hacker) it isnt a outrunner, and it has a CC60 ESC with a 4s1p Lipo.

Ok, here is the question. In the light of no info anywhere as to the motor make or spec (apart from being a 600) can anyone tell me the settings best for this motor / ESC combination.

(This may sound bulchy but I promise it is not intended to), I do apreciate that there are better motor / ESC combos out there but I have purchased this now so I wold be thankfull if someone could give the relevant info as opposed to advice saying sell it and start again.

How are the UK guys finding this comb in flight? I would be intrested to know.

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03-11-2006 11:28 AM  11 years agoPost 2
coolice

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Hey,

Congratulations on your Swift purchase, you will have loads of fun with it I know i am. Just like yourself this to is my first introductions to larger electric flight and so I have learnt a lot along the way very quickly.

The stock CenturyUK combination is very good straight from the box, they have done their homework to provide a nice balanced package without incuring to high a cost.
The stock motor is custom built to their specs, hence why there is no real information on it. There are two types, the VoltEdge Endurance & VoltEdge 3D Motor, which one do you have in your kit?

My experince is with the 3D Motor and while it wasn't hte most powerful is was more than capable when setup with a nice pitch curve to match it's available performance.
Use the supplied 8 tooth pinion with this motor to allow it to rev slightly more, while the head speed will be lower at about 1550rpm the model flies well at this speed.

ESC setup wise, setup for high RPM govenor mode, leave all the phase/timing as normal, but set the voltage cutoff low in the 5volts range and turn off current limiting.
To then monitor the LiPo voltage so it does not drop below 12 volts I use a seperate LiPo Saver circuit, a small light glows when the pack reaches 12 volts. I'd rather have this than the motor dropping out to signal the end of the flight.

Other than that it's fine. While the supplied motors will not set your hair alight they do go well and a lot of their perceived performance will hinge on your flying abilitys.
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Ian Contessa
Team Robbe SchluterUK
Midland Helicopters

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03-11-2006 03:04 PM  11 years agoPost 3
yrag

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Hi

BRILLIANT just the info I needed. I am flying the standard volt edge motor.

I have a set of JP CF 550 main blades in the house, will these be ok to use with my combo and should I up the bolts to 4mm if I do use them.

Thanks again for your help.

Gary

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03-11-2006 03:31 PM  11 years agoPost 4
Pistol Pete

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welcome to the Swift family!

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

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03-11-2006 03:32 PM  11 years agoPost 5
Ben-T-Spindle

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Do NOT drill out the plastic grips to 4mm. There have been a lot of failures from trying this. There is not enough material and the grips will fail in flight – very dangerous!

If you want to put 550mm blades on the Swift use a bushing in the blade holes and the stock 3mm bolts.

The Swift is smaller that a 30 size helicopter and 550mm blades are a bit large for most power setups. 550mm blades will be ok for sport flying but usually bog down for 3D with most power systems. Running a smaller pinion and +/- 9 degrees of pitch will help a little.

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... BTS

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03-11-2006 04:16 PM  11 years agoPost 6
yrag

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Thanks for the reply, so in theory I would get a longer and better quality flight with the standard wood 520s?

I am not a 3D flyer just the run of the mill stalls and wanging around.

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03-12-2006 11:43 AM  11 years agoPost 7
Ben-T-Spindle

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For most power setups the new Rotortech 515 Carbon blades (CN265166C) give the best performance.

I think that the stock wood blades are also very good for sport flying.

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... BTS

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03-13-2006 05:45 AM  11 years agoPost 8
carlosk

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Bergen, Norway

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Hi,

My local hobby shop has some MAH 550 blades that look like they will look awsome on the Swift. Will they be OK?

I was also wondering if any of the Hawk Pro parts are the same.

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03-13-2006 10:55 AM  11 years agoPost 9
coolice

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Hey,

Depends on your setup I'd say with the 550mm blades. If your running a really hot motor & ESC combination, combined with 5s/6s LiPo's then you'd be fine with 550's.
If your setup lacks the power and is using the stock 4s LiPo's I'd go no longer than 530's.

Even at 51.5cm's the little machine flies well and auto's very nicely to.
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Ian Contessa
Team Robbe SchluterUK
Midland Helicopters

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03-13-2006 11:52 PM  11 years agoPost 10
oldfart

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Vancouver, Canada

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I agree with you Ian.

One of our local pilots is using a rather hot set-up with the CC 85 ESC and 6 cells on the ORK 1907 motor and he is using the Rotor Tech 560 blades.

On normal 3D flights he pulls a max of 40 amps. But he has been able to peak out at 65 amps when testing for max amperage (full power descent at -9 degrees with a sudden change to full power ascent!!!!) OUCH!!!

Phil

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03-14-2006 12:36 AM  11 years agoPost 11
carlosk

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Thanks for the tips. I have an Ark 400 that definatly improved performance when I went over to carbon blades, and I would like carbon blades for my Swift, and as I have the standard CC60, 4S lipo setup, I will stick to 515 blades.

Any other tips?

Carlos

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03-14-2006 08:58 AM  11 years agoPost 12
coolice

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Hey Phil,

Yeah, if your using a really good setup then the longer blades are the way to go I think. But for the 4s setup then it's a bit to much.

I'm still pretty new to this size of electric and so picking up more information as I go along, but your buddys Swift sounds like a nice combination. Once the new season starts with fun-flys etc. it will be interesting to see various Swift setups and how they perform.

Hey Carlos,

You'll definetly get better performance from carbon blades, so much more rigid and responsive with good auto performance.

No other real tips for you really mate, just build it and enjoy flying it.
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Ian Contessa
Team Robbe SchluterUK
Midland Helicopters

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