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03-10-2006 04:35 PM  11 years agoPost 1
Sunrise

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Trinidad

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They are called "Duty" and "VAT". It is really depressing to know that for every item I purchase online, I have to also add:

Shipping charges from the USA to my country – could be as much as $100.00 (depending on the total weight of the package);

Handling charges (about $2.50);

20% Import duty;

Then finally, you add up all these figures (including the cost of the item itself), and calculate 15% of the total amount. Of course, these extra costs has to be paid by the purchaser before you get the package.

So, if I decide to purchase a Raptor 50 (with an .50 SX-H engine w/ muffler), digital servos, carbon blades, and a gyro, and lets assume this costs me $800.00 flat at your favorite online hobby shop, with free shipping...

...by the time I actually get the physical package on my hand, I would have to put out an additional $355.75! So what would cost you guys $800.00 (flat), would cost me close to $1,155.75.

Not fair!

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03-10-2006 05:31 PM  11 years agoPost 2
derek533

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Move to the States! Just kidding. I know that does suck. I remember when online retail first started booming. Used to be, you could find a really good deal online for anything. Anymore, by the time you add in shipping charges, most of the time you can buy the item for the same price or less at the local store. I remember when ebay was the king of all good deals online. There are obviously still good deals to be had but most of them anymore, just charge astronomical shipping rates which is absurd. My wife and I sold a brand new Roomba (don't believe the hype people, it sucks and not in a good way for a vaccum cleaner) on ebay. We charged $20 for shipping and handling which I believe is fairly reasonable in that the box weighed in at roughly 16lbs. I was just hoping to break even on the shipping but Fedex Ground only charged me $10 to ship it two states away (Oklahoma to Louisianna).,

Just goes to show you that the sellers on ebay charging huge shipping charges are trying to make up for the auctions they have that don't bring very much. I also love the buy-it-now's for $9.99 yet they charge the remaining amount of what that item would have cost anywhere else, in shipping and handling. For instance, a normally $100 item will have a buy-it-now for $9.99 yet charge $89 for shipping and handling. I guess there are stupid people out there. I saw a Nexus with an older Futaba 6XH sell for over $600!

If you are smart, you won't loose your a$$ on ebay but I guess most people aren't since it seems to be getting bigger by the day.

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03-10-2006 05:38 PM  11 years agoPost 3
Flying Tivo

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Online stores

There are some online stores willing to make a lower amount invoice for customs purposes.

Just a hint.

Felipe

If life throws at you lemons......Squirt some lemon juice in the eye of your enemy!!!!

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03-10-2006 05:45 PM  11 years agoPost 4
Pistol Pete

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The price of living in a tropical paradise...unfortunately.
Unfair...not really...talk to your local govmnt and ask why...you will be surprised of answer.

As per the last post...its a double edge proposition...specially depending who you are dealing with...if you need to make a claim...it would "probably" end up being what is on the invoice.

Dont know the price of an airline ticket...but maybe some friends in miami would help...or even puerto rico "usa"....the extra $355 plus is worth a trip...at least for me.

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

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03-10-2006 05:47 PM  11 years agoPost 5
Yug

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...by the time I actually get the physical package on my hand, I would have to put out an additional $355.75! So what would cost you guys $800.00 (flat), would cost me close to $1,155.75.
In the UK the equivalent cost would be $1300. US prices for just about everything do seem to be remarkably cheap. Fuel is another good example, we pay about $10 more per gallon. Thats life

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03-10-2006 05:52 PM  11 years agoPost 6
Pistol Pete

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Seffner, FL

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$10 more per gallon?...ouch...the more reason to go electric or gasser....I take it there is no company making glow over there.

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

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03-10-2006 05:57 PM  11 years agoPost 7
sharam

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Northern California - Fly at Morgan Hill Field

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We called it "The Boston Tea Party" where we told the previous bosses that we were sick and tired of taxation, amongst other things!!

http://www.cyberheli.com is a great store to buy from.

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03-10-2006 06:22 PM  11 years agoPost 8
iskoos

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Orlando, FL

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If any item mentioned above is cheaper in U.S. than other countries, it is because of the those countries and their hardworking people.
When I first got into this hobby in mid 80's, I purchased a Graupner R/C airplane in Germany. It was a 100% kit. When you look into box, all you would see bunch of wooden parts, plywoods and a scary instructions & plans. There were no wheels in the box. There was no film or paint to do the finishing. Other then balsa parts and some push rods, the only other part was a two-piece unpainted and uncut cowling which took me literally 1 week to cut, join and paint. It was a small airplane for .10 size engine. And I paid about 80 DM (close to $60-65).
Now, I am walking into a hobby store and get an ARF airplane entirely balsa built-up, professionally covered; that has one-piece painted and cut cowling; comes with wheels, wheel pants, all the necessary hardware and even painted pilot figure included(sometimes) and I pay less than 100 bucks for it.
I go blank; thinking how on earth they make money when they sell stuff at this price!..
The answer is as I mentioned above: other countries and their hardworking people.
Almost all R/C related stuff that requires human work comes from abroad.
This country is like a giant market. There is tons of people that have purchasing power and ready to spend money. So manufacturers will do anything to get this money from them. The market here will always be cheaper no matter what.

Sorry this was out of topic a bit but thought it was a good thing to point out.

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03-10-2006 06:49 PM  11 years agoPost 9
BC Don

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Well, importing to Canada is the same thing. First off they add U$20 to U$30 for shipping (I live within about 200 miles of the boarder so WHY they add that much I have no idea). Then, I get charged GST (=VAT) of 8% then I get charged an $8.00 handling fee by the post office cause it comes from the U.S. and of course I then have to convert to C$. So ordering a small number of parts doesn't make sense, it's "go big or go home".

Got Money? Send it to me, I'm a Heli Addict.

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03-10-2006 06:58 PM  11 years agoPost 10
K-Lo

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Monterrey Mexico

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Give it a thought.

Shipping to Mexico is also really difficult. That's why a lot of smuggle helicopters to Mexico

Do what you can with what you have. Often is more than enough.

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03-10-2006 07:00 PM  11 years agoPost 11
deiniolpook

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I agree with Guy Martin, try living in the UK for a while!!!
We pay the earth for things here in paticular petrol & diesel, what gets me is that Tony Blair and his faithful mob try convincing us ALL OF THE TIME to drive cars which return nice high MPG figures and also produce lower CO2 emmisions but what cars do you think they all drive?
gas-guzzling V8 Jags or similar!!!
Whats wrong with Tony Blair getting into a TDI Golf or Passat which have very very good MPG figures?????

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03-10-2006 07:21 PM  11 years agoPost 12
Sunrise

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With that extra $355.75, I can actually have the items shipped to a Miami address and probably purchase a return airline ticket to Miami (with that money).

Then I can pack the items neatly in my luggage, and on my way back home, I can take a chance and tell the customs officer at the airport that I have "nothing" to declare.

But if he decides to do a spot check, and then sees a brand new (and expensive) transmitter, like a Futaba 14MZ sitting inside, and a few high-end servos next to it. What am I going to tell him?

This hobby is already an expensive one, but these additional expenses just makes it harder for folks that have to pay duty and then taxes on top of it. Our pockets have to be deeper!

If an online shop stores is willing to make a lower amount invoice for customs purposes, I will be their best customer!

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03-10-2006 07:36 PM  11 years agoPost 13
Vance

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Why can't you have the merchandise shipped to a friend in the USA and he (or she) can ship the packages to you and declare the contents as "gifts". I don't know why this wouldn't work, but I'm sure someone will let me know if that is the case.
Vince D

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03-10-2006 07:56 PM  11 years agoPost 14
Pistol Pete

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Well, importing to Canada is the same thing. First off they add U$20 to U$30 for shipping (I live within about 200 miles of the boarder so WHY they add that much I have no idea).
So a round trip to the border is 400 miles...how much is that in gasoline plus your time? worth it to me doing the math...but thats just me.

VANCE...seem to have the best solution...but I guess in order for ti to work "better" item would have to be shipped in another box other than original to keep the new look out per say....it would have to be a GREAT friend because if anything goes wrong with order...then what?...there goes a friendship?

Sunrise...I guess the key is to not have it BRAND NEW IN BOX...and declare as a gift as suggested by VAnce.

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03-11-2006 07:59 AM  11 years agoPost 15
theShark

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Miramar, FL

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Hey,

I'm Trinidadian as well, I sent you a PM. I know at least 10 other Heli pilots here but most are still in the learning stages because of the expense. I started off in electrics and just got a Raptor50.

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03-11-2006 02:18 PM  11 years agoPost 16
kaptkaos

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Miami FL

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The UK is unique from other countries that charge Duties in that you earn a good living over there. The reason is that you dont have the huge trade deficit we have over here. In the USA its getting harder and harder for the working minority to find and keep jobs, much less keep up with the bills. Everything is done cheaper somewhere else, or there is a foreigner willing to do the job for less, and for more hours. Be glad of the protectionism in your country, although its not always great, it does seem to work for the UK. Our country has gone totally insane, everything is outsourced, and college grads cant find jobs. Fly a Hirobo, they have good distribution over there dont they?

If you give a Chimp a gun, and the Chimp shoots, DONT BLAME THE CHIMP!!!!

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03-11-2006 02:49 PM  11 years agoPost 17
alcastan

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Well as stated before, here in Mexico, everything is really more expensive, I buy everything at MTA hobbies, sent to a house in San Antonio TX, and then I pick it up there, if it´s something urgent I order it to arrive here in my city, I have never payed a single cent of taxes, tip for Mexicans, make your order via USPS not UPS, or FEDEX, as USPS has an arrengment with MEXPOST, they do not have customs of their own, and customs officers from MEXPOST are really stupid!!, but if it was sent by FEDEX or UPS, you will be sure to pay at least 17% of what you ordered.

If you in the UK pay $10 more for nitro imagine us living in the backyard of the States and paying 45 usd for a gallon of Power Master 30% nitro,

That really hurts!!

PS. Flying Tivo I do not recomend you to do that with the invoices, what happens if it arrives mistaken or broken?

Alejandro,

Momma used to say, life's like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get!

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03-11-2006 03:36 PM  11 years agoPost 18
bagobitz

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saddleworth,lancs,UK

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alcastan...you got it wrong, mate...road -gas is $10 MORE cheapest I found yesterday = 88p/litre $1.75 = £1.00...I think we pay more for nitro than you as well. As a generalisation, we pay the same NUMBER of GBP as you do, dollars.
captkaos...we also suffer high taxes, mountains of legislation against businesses and employers,17.5% vat, income tax which starts BELOW thw threshold for some state benefits...and so-on.
lots of UK manufacturing has gone, the reason there isn't more unemployment,is 'cos the government employsmore and more pen-pushers, jobsworths and "pseudo" job creation ("worker" to encourage people to eat a "healthy" 3-portions of fruit/veg a day)
yes,folks the loonies have taken over the asylum in the UK...sorry , the thought police would have that, "the mentally challenged....

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03-11-2006 07:35 PM  11 years agoPost 19
DenisS

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and part of the reason that tony blair and prescott etc don't drive around in a GTi or small thrifty car is that they can't be made bullet proof or bomb proof enough. The jags etc can carry the extra weight. Apparently they are prime targets nowadays. God only knows why
Denis

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03-11-2006 09:38 PM  11 years agoPost 20
Yugdab

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kaptkaos what protectionism are you talking about please?

If things don't change... they'll stay as they are!

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