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03-10-2006 02:55 AM  11 years agoPost 1
AV8TOR

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Anyone out there with the STK version of the HeliDirect Super Frame that can share with me their servo layout please? Looking at the HeliDirect web site several pictures are conflicting.

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03-10-2006 02:59 AM  11 years agoPost 2
AV8TOR

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Why not??

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03-10-2006 03:17 AM  11 years agoPost 3
catfight

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av8tor,

What do you mean by STK - stock? I have v2 (g10 material). I have one photo while under costruction in my gallery.

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03-10-2006 03:20 AM  11 years agoPost 4
zrdcorp

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Please see my previous thread. There are pictures in my gallery too.

http://runryder.com/helicopter/t240495p1/

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03-10-2006 04:29 AM  11 years agoPost 5
AV8TOR

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Catfight - Yes STK is stock swashplate. The elevator ball is at the rear by the anti-rotation.

Willy – It is the CCPM basics that allowed me catch this mistake. First off there are no instructions with this frame. On their website it shows a picture with part names. Upper bearing block and lower bearing block. http://www.helidirect.com/images/hb...50BQT-A-V3b.jpg Well when you put the upper bearing block on the top and lower on the bottom the servo arrangement places the elevator ball at the front of the heli not rear like the “Stock” swashplate. Now for kicks I put the upper on the bottom and the lower on the top and it lay’s out the servos perfect for the stock swash. There is obvisoly a mistake on their web site with regards to which is the upper and lower. “and yes I have the bearings facing the correct way”

Zrdcorp – With all due respect, yours is a custom made swashplate with the elevator ball in the front not at all like the stock STK swash.

Again my post asked if there was anyone who has the STK version. I wanted to see what they ended up with.

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03-10-2006 01:00 PM  11 years agoPost 6
AV8TOR

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Thanks for that link willy, Looks like he turn them around also. I do believe that their web site simply has the two labeled incorrect. Another thing I found out late last night is that the canopy mounts are too wide. They have to be shortened by 5mm. I have access to get this fixed but would be a problem for most. All and all this is a great design and it is very stout and only 4 grams heavier than the SE frame.

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03-10-2006 02:00 PM  11 years agoPost 7
zrdcorp

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WIth all due respect. You are wrong.

I have 100% stock swash plate.

I only aded a ccpm ring.

You can make a nylon ccpm ring out of a nylon tie and put it in yours, or buy the aluminium ring, like I did (for $2).

Please see my post carefully and check the photos.

BTW, if you need the metal ring, I can send you one if you are interested.

You are also wrong with the canopy mounts. They work perfect as they are, with no modifications.

Bye !!

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03-10-2006 02:14 PM  11 years agoPost 8
zrdcorp

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I honestly think my setup is important to show, since I am using 100% ALL ALIGN STOCK components including the gears.

There is no way I can turn the blocks around to use the stock swash plate without the ring, since the distance betwwen the main gears and the tail pulley gear will not be corrct, because the shaft blocks are not simmetrical.

The ring actually helps in two ways;

1) I can use the swtock swash plate and simualte to have a separate antirotation pin by having the antirotation pin attached to the ring, and a regular ball attached to the stock elevator pin position.

2) The balls will be more separated from the main shaft (by about 1 mm or so) which will help to achieve a better geometry and absolutely no risk of the link rods hitting the frame.

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03-10-2006 02:49 PM  11 years agoPost 9
Par_18

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Here are more pics of mine...this is the V1 and i'm also using the align gear.









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03-10-2006 04:54 PM  11 years agoPost 10
AV8TOR

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WIth all due respect. You are wrong.

I have 100% stock swash plate.

I only aded a ccpm ring.
That is correct but the added ring has the balls in a different location than the stock Align swashplate. What you have is for the V2 model Super Frame. On the stock Align swashplate the elevator ball is attached to the anti-rotation stud. That is the difference and that is why they make two different styles of this frame.

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03-10-2006 05:22 PM  11 years agoPost 11
AV8TOR

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Thanks for all the pictures guys (although none had the elevator ball at the rear) I am messing with it on my lunch break and I think I have got it. I don’t have my shaft and head with me but it all lines up now. I am however concerned about the large control horn on the back servo because it looks like it may interfere with the anti-rotation bracket.

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03-10-2006 05:58 PM  11 years agoPost 12
zrdcorp

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..EDITED...

THIS ONLY APPLIES FOR V1 SuperFrame

AV8TOR,

You are still confused.

I have the stock swash plate with the antirotationpin and the ball link together in the stud as you said.

I removed all the balls and the stud, and then put them back but going through the ring too, with the exception of the stud, which i put in the opposite side, and in its original place I added an extra ball.

I have the V1 Superframe. The one that made willy famous for his hatred.

There were and are no options for this V1 frame. Only 1 frame, thats it.

If there are options now for the V2, I had no idea.

However,

You CAN NOT mount the stock swash plate by inverting the blocks, because they are not simmetrical, and then the distance from the shaft to the tail pulley gear will not be correct.

Why mounting the stock swash plate the wrong way?

All you need is a ring (made of nylon or metal, does'nt matter .. I can even send you one), and an extra ball.

You will put the original ball/antirotation pin combo in the ring and attach it with a nut, then in its place you will put a regular ball link.

PRESTO !! LISTO !!

Thats all you need Then you can install the servos in the intended location without a single problem. Why going through the trouble of installing it the wrong way?

It is no different if the elevator is on the front or the rear. You only reverse/unreverse channels in the remote.

Bye !!!

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03-10-2006 06:14 PM  11 years agoPost 13
AV8TOR

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AV8TOR,

You are still confused.

I have the V1 Superframe.
That would not be the first time, however my post was asking specifically about the layout for the STK frame. V1 or V2 information just added to my confusion. Thanks again for helping to set me straight.

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03-10-2006 06:21 PM  11 years agoPost 14
zrdcorp

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I just did not know there was also an STK version of the frame.

Sorry I misunderstood you !!

I could not help you then. Perhaps you are amongst the first to buy it?

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03-10-2006 06:52 PM  11 years agoPost 15
AV8TOR

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Here is a link for the frame I have
http://www.helidirect.com/product_i...roducts_id=1094

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03-12-2006 05:40 AM  11 years agoPost 16
Sugarbear36

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V2 vs STK superframe layout

STK superframe (own 4) accepts stock t-rex parts...no problem, V2 superframe (own 2) is designed for aftermarket swashplates. I modified mine to accept stock t-rex swashplate by relocating t/r drive gear 4 mm forward...works like a charm with better gear mesh. Sugarbear36

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03-12-2006 01:18 PM  11 years agoPost 17
AV8TOR

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Sugarbear when you mounted your servos in the STK frame did you position the servo so the ser4vo control arm is higher or lower on the frame? When I mount mine with the arm high (shortest control rod length) I am not able to use any of my stock T-Rex control rods. When I flip it and place it down I can use them but out pretty far on the threads. What did you use for your control rods?

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03-12-2006 05:25 PM  11 years agoPost 18
Sugarbear36

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Hello av8tor. I'm using hs-56's with the output shafts on top, push-pull tube length is 38mm on centers, at 75% stick the servo arms are horizontal to the horizon. I'm using the third hole on the hs-56 single arms, with the balls mounted on the inside. This gives me maximum up pitch,where the collar just touches the bottom of the hub and flat pitch on the bottom. I've found the easiest way to install the servo arm is to install the arm and the arm retaining screw on the servo first, then install them in the frame. Keep in mind that I'm fairly new at r/c helis so my set-up is probably for non-3d. I haven't looked any further. The push-pull tubes are the stock ones from the align ccpm kit, no cutting needed. I really don't know if this is the "correct" way to do things, but it works for me. It seems to me that to go full 3-d you would have to shorten the push-pull tubes and mount the servo arms down one or two splines, haven't tried it. I'd be glad to talk to you about it....just email me with a phone number and I'll call. Sugarbear 36(my Viet Nam tactical call sign)

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03-12-2006 06:47 PM  11 years agoPost 19
catfight

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av8tor and sugarbear,

I have the v2 frame and setup almost exactly as yours sugarbear. But I used the same arms and the 2nd hole . Servos have output at top- I started with them at the bottom but could not align all so I moved them to the top. I get +10 -10 and +6 -6 on collective and cyclic - using standard pushrods. Using HS-56HB's

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03-12-2006 08:14 PM  11 years agoPost 20
zrdcorp

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Whether or not you put the output shaft in the upper or lower position, depends on what kind of link rod length you have....

With the spares for the T-Rex, the upper position will probably be easier.

If you can get longer link rods, then the lower seems to have a better clearance of the frame.

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