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03-09-2006 01:07 PM  11 years agoPost 41
Dr. Fibinotchi

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Sioux Falls SD

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I use them

They are a tool like anything. I use it for manuvers to get them down. I dont think I would be doing what I can do in the sky at 20 gallons if I didnt have a sim.


-Cody

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03-09-2006 01:20 PM  11 years agoPost 42
Raptorcop84

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Cape May Court House,NJ

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I am fairly new to flying, but have found the sim to have given me extra confidence. Well worth the money, plus you can try other stunts and practic without the fear of crash....

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03-09-2006 01:35 PM  11 years agoPost 43
rcheliheaddaz

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Sth Wales / UK

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When I first started to learn to fly I tried to learn without any coaching or any experience on a sim.
I lost hundreds of pounds in the process eventually as I was about to give this hobby up Sims where just comming to the market and being recognised as a good thing.
I went to Midland heli's where I was taken to the work area and allowed to have a go at the EASYFLY/PICOFLY simulator. Though basic it was exellant. Today I know that this sim is the reason I am still here enjoying this fantastic hobby/sport.

I now use the Reflex XTR and can say that these sims are the best thing for anyone interested in learning. Especialy if they can not get to any instructor Pilots and for learning new moves.

I do have one gripe though, Why is it that people think they are only for Beginners? I aint a beginner any more and I still find it invaluable.

Regards Dazza,;

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03-09-2006 01:53 PM  11 years agoPost 44
Hoverdown3K

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Rochester, New York

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I learned to fly without using a sim, I started on a FP Hummingbird, and when I was able to fly that, everything else was easy.

The Larger the chopper the easier, I would suggest everyone to learn on a micro, they are so much harder to fly, that when you master that everything is so stable and easy.

From never flying a chopper to mild 3D. It took me about 96 hours.
I do not belong to a club and was completely seft taught, lots of reading at night!

I used the model timer on my radio.

-= I know there is Money in RC helicopters. I put it there=-

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03-09-2006 02:22 PM  11 years agoPost 45
medfoch

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Bay Village, Ohio

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My first two years - back in the days of RC aero Chopper - only sim available - funny enough it was $200 - I tried to learn with out a sim and by myself. My first two years I learned how to hover for about 10 - 20 seconds before I crashed. After thousands of dollors I was about to give up. Then I went to a fun fly and asked for some help. The two best suggestions I ever got - 1. Get a SIM 2. fly 2 mistakes high.

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03-09-2006 02:54 PM  11 years agoPost 46
keqwow

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Ithaca, N.Y.

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I download FMS for free....sucked having to use the keyboard, but it gave me the concept of HOW the heli stays in the air. I then bought a used XRB....flew that around the living room...I tell ya...that is a tingling sensation when you first lift off and get it to hover. Still...as cheap as the blades are to replace, it is a pain in the butt....I just got G3....harder to fly the helis than the XRB, but after a few days of playing around with it I can all ready tell I am advancing ten fold...doing autos., inverted flying...it really takes the fear out of TRYING something. I just picked up a Shuttle Z kit cheap that I am in the middle of building...I'll trash that up a bit and then go for the Evo 50. By then, I'll have tons of hours on G3 and should be well ready for things I'd expect. I definitely thing G3 is worth the cash though....like I said...takes the fear out of trying things...try it..if it doesn't work, just hit the reset button...keep doing this until you figure out what DOES work.

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03-09-2006 02:57 PM  11 years agoPost 47
Coloradoheli3d

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Colorado USA

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When I learned to fly there were no sims, matter of a fact the Futaba GY154 was brand new just after I started learning to fly. So really started to learn without a gyro. Boy was that a nice upgrade.

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03-09-2006 04:10 PM  11 years agoPost 48
satwelsh

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South Wales UK

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I really could not get on with any sim (xtr and areofly) it was not the same sat down in the chair and you cannot get the buzz from the near crashes, because you know it cost,s nothing on the sim to crash then the reality check is not the same. Only good for learning basic stick control nothing beats burning fuel and tanks of it too raise your learning curve. you can spend days sitting in front of a sim but i am sure the nerves are as bad as ever when you try for real so just try

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03-09-2006 05:22 PM  11 years agoPost 49
MikeC

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Mosinee, WI

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I learned back in the 80's without a sim since they weren't available. I learned to fly so it is possible but like others have said, it would have been a lot easier and less expensive if I'd had a sim.


Mike

Century Swift, TREX 450, Blade MCX, Spektrum DX7

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03-09-2006 09:43 PM  11 years agoPost 50
Snake Rimmer

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Up north in the England

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I use aerofly pro deluxe and would be lost with out it, its a must, but any one who sticks at it with out a Sim deserve a lot of praise. Would you say this Sim is a good one.

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03-09-2006 09:52 PM  11 years agoPost 51
ctd - Mike (RIP)

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Mile High, USA

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No sim, use to fly planks...helis are harder....but like to learn and yes crash is bad

ctd

I am sorry my son, If you did not reconize me without my sandals on

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03-10-2006 01:57 AM  11 years agoPost 52
Tulsaboy

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Tulsa, Okie-la-homie

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Sims

Sims were just out when I started..did'nt have a computer..learned the old fashion way on a Kyosho "concept 30 DX" with homemade training gear...no HH gyros at that time, mechanical only...forgot to switch the gyro on one day...flew ok, but seemed to really need alot of tail control..It was a handful..but do able...forward flight seemed the same but the hover, descent and climbouts needed lots of tail corrections...for grins try it sometime...turn off your gyro..test your skills...can you hover without a gyro?...Hmm..sounds like a good fun fly "Game"...

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03-10-2006 03:04 AM  11 years agoPost 53
Ali92124

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San Diego, CA

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I'm ana*%^y retentive so keep this in mind when reading the comments below. Take it easy on me, it is a sickness.
Here is what I do when I want to learn a new trick.
1. I always try it on the sim first. Try to find mental hints that help with the new trick.
2. work on a safe bailout procedure on this sim.
3. work on possible screwups on the sim to see how to recover.

For example, to learn inverted hover, I did the following:
1. Right before a flip, I try to remind myself that left/right are reversed and back/forth are the same. Also, to correct the tail, turn the rudder stick in the direction that the tail is sticking out.
2. If in trouble, pull left stick down and right stick forward. Yah, that bogs the motor but it gets the heli away from you real quick. I actually form a mental image in my head with me pulling these giant 3ft control sticks in the appropriate direction. In a panic, that image will come to you without hesitation. When I practice on the sim, I try to use the bailout procedure rather than just letting the heli crash and start over.
3. I puprosely input the wrong input in the sim to see what is needed to recover from that particular error. For example, I would work on a bailout if I put too much wrong rudder and the heli is now in a sideway hover or tail in.
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03-10-2006 05:41 AM  11 years agoPost 54
n8tivedave

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simi valley,cal,u.s.

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i do.if im not out flyin,im on the sim

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03-11-2006 04:14 PM  11 years agoPost 55
Helimon

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Washington

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Do Throttle Curves work on Sims?

I know the dual rates and exponential adjustments work. Do the G3 or G4's allow you to pick ESC's and motors for the electric heli's? Can you set the pitch and throttle curves for them? I know that FMS seems to slave off whatever radio you are using but not sure how accurate the settings are compared to real flight.

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03-13-2006 03:18 AM  11 years agoPost 56
MikeC

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Mosinee, WI

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Not sure about selecting specific ESC's but you can select power levels of your motors or engines and the curves can be set just like in real life.

Mike

Century Swift, TREX 450, Blade MCX, Spektrum DX7

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03-13-2006 06:05 AM  11 years agoPost 57
Al Austria

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Gainesville, FL

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I have the original Real-Flight which doesn't have helicopters. I learned to hover on the real thing and by the end of my first gallon I was already pretty comfortable with FFF, loops, rolls, and some inverted hovering. Fours years and three dumb-thumbs later, I'm finally comfortable flying in most attitudes including all upright and inverted hovering orientations, fast forward flight upright and inverted, fast backward flight upright and inverted, most flips, rolls, funnels, hurricanes, tic-tocs, snakes, snakes 8's, and some weak piro-flips; and I still don't own a helicopter simulator. There is no doubt that a simulator would have increased my learning curve but there is no reason you can't progress into 3D without one.

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03-13-2006 06:44 AM  11 years agoPost 58
sharam

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Northern California - Fly at Morgan Hill Field

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I learned without a sim. My first heli was a Concept 30 on training gear. It was funny watching it hop all over my driveway - a lot of body english went into keeping that heli from slamming into walls, bushes, etc.

I have spent a lot of time on a sim though. I have practiced a lot of maneuvers first on the sim and then in real life. It is largely similar except for the pucker factor. Once you get over that, the two are almost the same!!

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03-13-2006 07:01 AM  11 years agoPost 59
Jimmi

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Southern Ca. U.S.A.

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I learned on an american revolution with no gyro, but just hovered back then, couldn't do much since I was going at it alone. Then a few years later bought a shuttle zxx and progressed alot with a mechanical gyro back then and no sim but I had someone to show me the ropes in flying and thats important. Got a csm sim and it was helpful but by that time I Had, already learned how to fly. I don't think I crashed as much as others because I never took it beyond my limitations and I was patient. What do I say to people who want to learn to fly a heli. I would recomend to at least try a simulator to see how touchy flying a heli could be. Thats the reason alot of guys get frustrated is because they just want to fly and all they could do is crash and get discouraged, and of course they quit the hobby. But I would get someone to at least start me off in flying helicopters of today and when that person has you in a hovering stage, then everything else comes natually but it takes time. I think at least a cheap sim would be helpful in the start, and if you cannot get a sim have someone with experiance at least help you out. Jimmi

They say its mind over matter, but if you don't have a mind it doesn't matter...

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