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03-07-2006 07:58 PM  11 years agoPost 21
BigChopper

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Hehe maybe they call it IRCHA because they think that the USA is the world
Well I didn't quite intend it to get into this old mud slinging match.. we've heard this one before

It seems a little silly to me 'International' status these days seems to be just banded around by the spin doctors who are actually just full of $&^%.
It's a little strange to assume that anyone in any other country is going to be able to benefit from being a member..... Or could we be wrong?

BTW.. is the voting form available in Russian?

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03-07-2006 08:15 PM  11 years agoPost 22
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Well, to be frank, I am an IRCHA member mostly to aid the goal of creating a union . . . there's nothing in particular in it for me. Furthermore, I don't routinely sign my name on forums using my membership number, and I pay dues like anybody else, plus I pay up for the privilege of flying when I attend the yearly fun fly (last held in Muncie, IN). Hence, I basically am not really sure I get anything out of it (tangible), unless you count the hope of something better for all of us someday. Nonetheless, you bring up a valid point which needs addressing . . . but in my opinion, addressing it means joining and working to make change - not sniping at the process and pooh-poohing those who do work for it. Thus, it seems to me that if you joined IRCHA, tossed your hat in the ring (though with elections a few days off the horizon means it would probably be futile) you could have had an opportunity to be known far and wide as the internatonal chap who stepped up to be counted by working to make IRCHA more "international". Meanwhile, it seems to me that it's not too late for next year. I suggest you join up and cast your vote. Spend the year paying attention to how things are done and next year, step up to the plate and offer to do your bit.


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03-07-2006 08:54 PM  11 years agoPost 23
RonK

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John:

WOW, what refreshing and mature attitude.

Ron K. President IRCHA (1 month out of 6 years to go)

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03-07-2006 09:08 PM  11 years agoPost 24
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03-07-2006 11:15 PM  11 years agoPost 25
zoom boy

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You ask what does IRCHA do for me? IRCHA has become the voice for the RC helicopter population with the AMA and others. IRCHA will fight for your rights and keep legislators from placing unfair regulations on this hobby. We all must remember one thing. Organizations don’t run by themselves it takes dedicated volunteers to keep the visions going strong. I for one as a volunteer for IRCHA feel I have gained a lot of good information and friends by being a member of the original NRCHA and IRCHA. For less than the amount of a magazine subscription, a night on the town, a round of golf, or a movie at the theater for three, you can hold a membership to the largest RC Helicopter Organization in the world.
Actually no, I asked what would the IRCHA do for me, not you.

Since I'm not in the US and you are that isnt exactly a fair comparison.

So I ask again, what would the IRCHA be able to do for me as an R/C heli flyer in the UK.

Fight to protect flying here, doubtful, first its another country so applying pressure to the government would be very hard to do, especially when 99% of the people in it are not citizens of this country.

Organizing events, same thing, another country thousands of miles away, people arnt going to join unless there is some reason to do so right now, and there wont be a reason eg events or as a pressure group representing our sport until people join.

Catch 22

If the IRCHA is serious about the I in iRCHA they need to step up, and start travelling especially to europe and start representing themselves at events.

If they do that then maybe that will increase the foreign numbers and that will mean there is a way to apply pressure here directly, and there is a way to organize events in the IRCHA's name in europe.

Until that happens there is never going to be anyone willing to part with money for it, the ball is in the iRCHA's court.

To be painfully honest, there is no need for the IRCHA in the UK or in anywhere else really other than the US because we already have such organizations, eg in the UK we have the BMFA, and this is why the iRCHA will never be the IRCHA, there is no international need for an international body.

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03-07-2006 11:29 PM  11 years agoPost 26
zoom boy

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It's a little strange to assume that anyone in any other country is going to be able to benefit from being a member..... Or could we be wrong?
Bingo, there is no reason to believe that anyone outside the US would benefit from it, so the membership outside the US is going to naturally be small.

The IRCHA has to be able to offer something or some service to entice people to join.

Which is why I have asked what exactly is so international about it when about 99% of the membership is all in one country.

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03-08-2006 12:30 AM  11 years agoPost 27
chas1025

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I would like to try and respond to the question of what does IRCHA do for pilots that do not reside in the USA. In the most simple terms the answer would be nothing. Being international is more than the land on which you reside, which I hope the following will clarify.

IRCHA is not an international organization due to its activity outside of our boundaries necessarily, but it is international due to the many different nations represented on our own soil. At any event you attend here in the US you will meet someone who was born in another country, but now lives here either temporarily or permanently.

We are not international for what country we represent, but we are international for the people that we represent.

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03-08-2006 12:57 AM  11 years agoPost 28
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Sounds like the "token black man" thing to me.

Using that logic as to why its "international" I could start a club with a token foreign person and stick "international" in front of it.

There are pleanty of organizations that would qualify if that was the case, the BMFA for example is bound to have foreign members, but they dont call it the IMFA.....

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03-08-2006 02:04 AM  11 years agoPost 29
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03-08-2006 02:19 AM  11 years agoPost 30
hionhelis

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International Members

I would like to say thank you to all 138 INTERNATIONAL members.

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03-08-2006 03:30 AM  11 years agoPost 31
George Matthews

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Just curious.
How many members total does IRCHA have?
And how many voted in the last election ?

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03-08-2006 09:05 AM  11 years agoPost 32
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Also are those 138 all current members or total number of foreign members from years past.

If in a few years the IRCHA could become more international and cound become actually useful to us outside the US in some tangible way then I wouldnt mind joining, or helping out.

But as things stand at the moment, there just wouldnt be the numbers of people in this part of the world to make it worthwhile.

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03-08-2006 02:53 PM  11 years agoPost 33
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Aha! The attitude that built (and lost) the British Empire . . . "I'll wait until there's something in it for me, then maybe I'll join." vs. "I'll join and work with you to create something worthwhile for other internationalists."

Frankly, people with that attitude are no loss because IRCHA was built via selfless devotion and love for the sport, not self interest. If you'd met Don Chapman, the original "hard head", perhaps you'd understand what it's all about. Alas, it appears it's not meant to be. IRCHA is composed of those with that hard head spirit of "can do, will do, no matter what I'll succeed".

I hope you reconsider . . . otherwise, it's truly your loss. Is it the money? If so, I'll pay your dues in exchange for your working to help make change on your side of the pond.

The longest journey begins with the first step.


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03-08-2006 03:58 PM  11 years agoPost 34
hionhelis

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???

Has anybody asked for help or support for anything outside of the US? I am talking about tangable requests, maybe that should be the question.

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03-08-2006 06:38 PM  11 years agoPost 35
George Matthews

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Brett would you like to answer my questions ?
Is it true that less than 40 members voted in the last election ?
And the total membership at that time was less that 400 worldwide?
How do those numbers compare to current numbers?

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03-09-2006 01:07 AM  11 years agoPost 36
hionhelis

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Numbers

Georg,

I am going to defer your questions to Ron. He will be answering these after we are done with the election when he posts the results.

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03-09-2006 11:59 AM  11 years agoPost 37
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I'm in

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03-09-2006 01:31 PM  11 years agoPost 38
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Hionhelis, he was asking about the last election.

Jbeech, what "lost" us the british empire was WW2, something we had no control over, get an education.

The iRCHA may be worth some consideration and some time IF you happen to live in the US, but I dont (like the vast majority of heli flyers in the world) the iRCHA is anything but international, heck their only event is in the same damned place every year, they are barely national let alone international and any claims to the contrary are rediculous.

If I joined my money would go towards their jamboree, and thats it.

They offer absolutly no reason for me or anyone outside the US to join, and since they are NOT international, they should STOP claiming to be so.

Claiming to be international is just political posturing and trying to grab "power" because they think it will put them in a position of authority over the sport worldwide in the future, thats at worst, at best its a marketing ploy to separate money from hands all over the world.

Nothing but a scam.

Georg Mathews, I agree with everything in your PM.

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03-09-2006 10:05 PM  11 years agoPost 39
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Aha! The attitude that built (and lost) the British Empire . . . "I'll wait until there's something in it for me, then maybe I'll join." vs. "I'll join and work with you to create something worthwhile for other internationalists."
Jbeech, what "lost" us the british empire was WW2, something we had no control over, get an education.
All this kind of stuff has got nothing to do with it. Keep on topic

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03-10-2006 02:45 PM  11 years agoPost 40
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voting

I just became a heli man & don't even know how to vote for.

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