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12-04-2005 06:34 AM  12 years agoPost 1
RobGiles(JR)

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Ok....I have to vent so here goes. I work full time, and bartend on weekends at a ski lodge in Michigan. Im on my way home from the lodge, around 12:30 at nite. Its snowing very heavily and traffic is doing about 15-25 mph on a 3 lane highway(I-75) where the speed limit is 65mph. Im in the far left lane, which in my opinion, is the "unofficial" passing lane. The car ahead of me is doing 15 mph. I drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee with 4 wheel drive, so i pass him in the center lane. As i pass him, the car in front of him happens to be a police officer. Suddenly I get the 400 billion candlepower spotlite in my driver window as im passing the cop, now doing 40 mph. He veers behind me and lights me up. So im thinkin......Okaaaaaaay? Comes to the window(sporting a real pleasent attitude) and says, " Ya in a hurry"? I say(very politely) "Not particularly". So i give him my paperwork, and he comes back(about 30 minutes later). Sir im citing you for carelss driving. At this point I begin to chuckle. I simply ask him, "your kidding right"? His reason. You ARE driving carelessly, and you passed on the right. (Now im reeeeeal happy) I told him it was total b/s and that the (elderly person) who happened to be in front of me ought to be cited for impeding traffic. Of course I also had to say , way to meet your quota officer, and happy holidays. Now i have to take a day off work, to go plead with some judge, and will probably have to pay the fine anyways, as well as get raped even harder by my insurance company. What a joke.......or perhaps im really, just a careless driver.....Ohhhhh welll........Protect and serve.....Another example of our many taxpayer dollars at work.....And a great big thank you, and FU to the Troy Police Department.

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12-04-2005 06:55 AM  12 years agoPost 2
ShempHoward

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I think the cop was right for citing you. All states have laws regarding safe speeds for the road/weather conditions and you apparently were cited for that violation. This is one you'll just have to pay and move on. As you tell it you were in the wrong.

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12-04-2005 06:57 AM  12 years agoPost 3
flipped2left

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sounds like the cop himself was the one impeding the flow of traffic in that lane! since he was the one in front of the other vehicle that was preventing you from doing a reasonable speed limit.. me thinks he needs to take a few more courses in driving under unreasonable conditions! ken

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12-04-2005 07:10 AM  12 years agoPost 4
Rogue123

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fight it, most likely it will get drop, it is a judgement call. As long you can explain the reason behind your driving to the DA. You have pre court date not a court date. This where you talk to the DA and plede your case. If your smooth you will get out of it. Or Just goto Driving class on line now( if it is first offence for the year) The call is up to you, the judge most will make you take a driving course( there goes 6hr of youre life you will never get back). But take the driving course and send a copy to the court and to your Insurance and you will save 15% on your next payment. .

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12-04-2005 07:21 AM  12 years agoPost 5
RobGiles(JR)

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I was wrong???

Shemp.....

Perhaps in winter they should start posting mph limit sides with "winter allowed speeds"......How am I wrong for doing 20 mph under the posted speed limit(and when did it become illegal to pass a trooper on a highway, whether its snowing or not?)?????? Believe me, I will be fighting this......Its obsurd that I should even have to go to a driving class....Just very frustrating for me.

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12-04-2005 07:25 AM  12 years agoPost 6
Rogue123

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Its a judgement call, the cop felt you where driving unsafe for the conditions.

A cop can wright that ticket at anytime he/she feels like. Cool hun

Fight it, just be cool with the DA and explain. Most likely it will get dropped

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12-04-2005 07:25 AM  12 years agoPost 7
debogus

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Ha ,just have to share

Driving in the mountains coming to the speed trap area , I'm driving slow cause the roads are wet(had a wreck in the rain 15 yrs ago and wet roads still mess with me)

I'm doing like 50 and a car has caught up to me and is right behind me.
I coasting down this road in 3rd ( thinking theres that chp again)
I get to the chp and he clicks on the the lights and motions to pull over .
I'm thinking what burned out head light?
NOOOO
He says I was goin 72.( me)Are you f***king kidding ,(him) no sir the radar had you clocked at 72 (me)what about the guy behind me .(him) it said he was doing 54.

And I wasnt pulling away from the other car with like a 20mph difference
Told him time to get a radar detector,he says If I drove the speed limit
I wouldnt need one .

Told him I was driving the speed limit*&$###@
next time I would like the option of waiting him out instead of risking his faulty gun.

Yeah I'll fight it , and probally have to pay it anyway.

But I will drive like the most legal deluxe pain in the ass for a long time to come.( Like I told him the next time he sees me I'll be restricting the flow of traffic with no more than 4 cars behind me cause after 5 he can give me a ticket)

Why cause I can , Like I dont see you here every god damm friday.

At least the ones stuck behind me wont get a ticket.


Dave

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12-04-2005 10:24 AM  12 years agoPost 8
Andrew_S

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Gaston, South Carolina

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The cop was probably trying to impede traffic somewhat to keep the clowns from flying on the road....Heavy snowstorm, 4 w drive,, invincible ? I dont think so........

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12-04-2005 12:29 PM  12 years agoPost 9
Bill Collins

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Not sure about your state, but in CT. on a 3 lane highway, you can pass in any lane. (Except the breakdown lanes for those who want to get smart) If the cop is moving less than the posted speed, I am going to pass him. Now for the safe driving thing, 4 wheel drive doesn't mean 4 wheel stop. I see MANY idiots pass me in my truck in the winter. I drive for conditions and to not kill anybody with an 80,000 lb. load. Pass if you want. I love to see them a few miles down the road all banged up in the guardrails standing next to the trashed SUV. I just go by and honk my horn and wave. Am I saying you are an idiot? No. Please don't take it that way. You being from Michigan, probably know how to drive in the snow. If you felt you were driving safely, then I would fight it. The posted is 65 mph. In weather conditions driving under the posted limit is an ADVISORY, not mandatory. Meaning you can still do 65, but it is not recommended. If the cop didn't have his disco lights on, I would have passed.

And now to debogus. There are ways to fight your ticket as well. When you go to fight the ticket in court, talk to the prosecutor BEFORE session and politely request calibration data for the radar gun. Public knowledge, so they will give it to you. They have to be calibrated EVERYDAY. Not calibrated that day? No ticket. The thing to remember when getting pulled over is this. STAY CALM and keep your composure. I know it is hard. The more you react to the cop, the more your chances for getting out of a ticket decrease. They write this in their report that the prosecutor gets. Take the ticket and be on your way. Same thing goes in court. I got pulled over for speeding. I was late to work. I saw the cop too late. I pulled over before he even had his lights on. He gave me some bullsh!t story about me being in another town and my plates (tags) were run in a known drug section. I said that only me and my dad had keys to my car and the time he stated, we were both sleeping. (Dad drives too) He kept at it. I said I will look into it. I got a ticket. I went to court. Out of the 100 or so people there I was the ONLY one who didn't pay. Ticket dropped. It also helps when you have a clean record as well. Keep it cool or end up like Rodney King.





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12-04-2005 12:49 PM  12 years agoPost 10
Professor Fate

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You just happen to pass the one in a few that do what they get paid for!

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12-04-2005 02:17 PM  12 years agoPost 11
cmartin

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Cops dont like it when you overtake them on the highways.

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12-04-2005 04:23 PM  12 years agoPost 12
wolfdad

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Rob,
Right, wrong or indifferent, I think you were "had" from the beginning on this one. During the mandatory Thanksgiving/Christmas "safety stand-down (with active duty military personnel, this is a seasonal rite)," I got some insight into where a cop's mind really is with regard to speeding and other "moving violations" from a CHP Officer. He basically said that, if you choose to exceed the speed limit, that is one thing, however if you choose to exceed the speed limit and you both mutually see each other and you make an attempt to slow down (brake lights, skid marks, etc.), most officers will let it pass, however if you choose to continue at the same rate of speed, he said that was basically a "screw you" indication and he was coming after you.

I wasn't there so I really can't comment on whether your speed was appropriate for the prevailing conditions and time of day, however blowing pass the LE vehicle was what got your burned.

By the way, Rob, "too fast for prevailing conditions" is a subjective call and guess who wins on that call.......

wolfdad sends...

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12-04-2005 06:03 PM  12 years agoPost 13
daggit

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The only time 15 mph is is warranted is when visibility is zero or road is pure ice. Passing at 40 is not wreckless.

It's a judgement call though. I'd say it's poor judgement to pull someone over in lousy road conditions.

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12-04-2005 06:09 PM  12 years agoPost 14
cessna151

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40mph is not too fast for snow on a 3 lane interstate people! The only limiting factor here would be visibility which you don't mention so i guess that visibility was ok.

I've passed a cop faster than the speed limit twice since i've been driving. First time didn't get pulled over! Second time i had been following this cop for over 10 miles at 70mph in a 55, all the sudden he slows to 65mph and so i pass him, and so he follows me for another 10 miles when he finally pulls me over! LOL!! So he comes up to my window and asks if i realize i was doing 70 for the last 20 miles, i said yeah, he said well i'm off duty and i was doing it too but if i was on duty i'd write you up so slow down the rest of the way home, i said ok and that was that.

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12-04-2005 06:56 PM  12 years agoPost 15
kab1sg

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I really hate for my first post here to sound even remotely argumentative. As an officer that works the highway in my state (Missouri), I have the opportunity to come in contact with lots of drivers. Most are good drivers that made a mistake. I don't have a problem with someone who feels that I am wrong. If you feel that you are right...use the courts and fight. If you win, fine. If you don't...also fine. I don't devote much energy to worrying if a judge or prosecutor sees things differently than I did. I know I did my job and didn't unfairly single anyone out.

As for the daily calibration thing....not correct. We are only required to perform a test of the equipment daily, actually it will be three times a day if we write tickets. This is not just in Missouri, but required as a result of judicial notice. Every winter, the majority of accidents I investigate in winter weather conditions (snow, ice) involve a four wheel drive vehicle. Not conjecture....fact. The officer is given the discretion to determine, based on the existing conditions, what is safe and prudent. We don't have the time or capability to assess each driver's abilities or experience. BTW, we have no quotas and do a job just as the rest of you. And...I don't like donuts! Public safety is the prime objective here....not harrassment.

If you can rationally prove to a judge that there was no recklessness on your part, do it. I hope you win and would be happy to see you exercise your rights. I hope no one views this as an attack or argument...just one simple road officer's point of view.

And yes....40 mph in the snow is a tad bit fast. I see WAY too many accidents in the snow as a result of 'too fast for conditions'.

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12-04-2005 07:09 PM  12 years agoPost 16
rcadd1ct

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I have nothing to add as it snows here once a year and the crazies come out.

KAB1SG:

Welcome to RR. Have fun and be safe.

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12-04-2005 07:26 PM  12 years agoPost 17
ESWLFSE

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I can't blame you one bit since I passed at least half a dozen cars on the right last night in a snow storm. Its too bad people are unable to follow the slower traffic keep right rule in this country. Its also too bad nobody ever gets cited for dawdling along in the left lane. If they did maybe we wouldn't have to pass on the right.

I believe that ones own driving ability, familiarity with their vehicle, and condition of their tires determines what is a safe and appropriate speed. I often drive over 1000 miles/week and have been doing field service for almost 10 years. I am also an auto enthusiast and have raced in several venues. I believe I can drive safely and at higher speeds in adverse conditions that the average driver. Unfortunately driving ability is almost never apparent to a cop, and way too many SUV/truck/AWD owners feel invincible in the snow.

You are probably screwed. The cop is almost always right in the eyes of the court.

If I see one on the road ahead or behind I am gone. I'll stop for gas, a soda, take a different route, or whatever it takes to avoid any possible interaction. You never know what might happen and I cannot risk a bogus ticket that might affect my livelihood.

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12-04-2005 08:47 PM  12 years agoPost 18
ShempHoward

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If you take this all the way to court and the Officer doesn't show up then you'll win. Might be worth a try although I think he got you on a technical judgment call that could have gone either way but if you mouth off to a cop he will remember it and the next time he sees you he will make you ante up.

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12-04-2005 08:49 PM  12 years agoPost 19
daggit

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And yes....40 mph in the snow is a tad bit fast.
If you're a southerner

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12-04-2005 08:59 PM  12 years agoPost 20
dariof

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Henderson, NV / Laguna Niguel, CA

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You never mentioned what section of the vehicle code you were cited for. Please look at your citation and post it here, along with the explanation the cop wrote on your citation by that section of the vehicle code.

This way anyone who is interested can look it up to see exactly what you were cited for.

Does the section you were cited for have something to do with exceeding he safe limit (not posted limit), but safe for the existing conditions limit?

I can assure you that you weren't cited for passing a cop who was traveling under posted limit. That is absurd. You were cited for something else...my guess right now is driving too fast for the existing conditions. 40 MPH may be too fast for a heavy snow storm, and in this case the posted limit is not relevant.

Best Regards, Dario

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