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12-03-2005 04:45 PM  12 years agoPost 1
turboomni

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Had my Blade a few weeks now and from day one tracking was an on or off situation. Reajust the links maybe fine for awhile ,maybe not.
Just thought it was the nature of the beast,but heard lots of you guys never had a problem. I am running the semi blades now with the same result. Checked the blade grips and although both worked smoothly I found one blade grip had slop in it . It could be slightly pushed in and out and could be slightly rocked on the spinde where as the other blade grip was smooth and solid in all directions. I thought the bolt may have backed out and tried to tighten it but it was tight. Tried to loosen the hex bolts and stripped the F#*%ing heads. They must be red loctited or something. I believe this may be my tracking problem.
Anyone else have this problem?

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12-03-2005 07:20 PM  12 years agoPost 2
saahbs

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turboomni,

For a while I attempted to get a very free moving head by loosening head parts for easier movement. This made the heli much more responsive but I could never get it to track perfectly. I have a Esky HB-CP2 so I have a Bell-Hiller head. What made the most difference in tracking, was tightening the mixing head bolts and mixing arm bolts. The head movement is not near as light, but tracking is perfect and it is much more stable.

When the head was too loose, it would even sometimes bind (by twisting and catching on the main hub) and it would act as if it has sticky collective. Now that everything is tight, it is a 100% better heli.

Mike

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12-03-2005 10:25 PM  12 years agoPost 3
dct

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turboomni,
I have a Honey Bee cp2 also,, and I can't get the blade tracking close at all. I have even rebuilt the head and still won't track .. It even changes color when powering up and down !!! Some times it's the red blade is the high one .. Then some times it's the black blade... I have two Honey Bee cp2 ... One is for spare parts. The Honey bee cp2 just won't track the same way twice. I'm starting to just think they are junk!!! When you talk about tightening the head bolts and mixing arm bolts,,,, there are you talking about ?????There anent any bolts on the mixing arm!!
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DCT

For a while I attempted to get a very free moving head by loosening head parts for easier movement. This made the heli much more responsive but I could never get it to track perfectly. I have a Esky HB-CP2 so I have a Bell-Hiller head. What made the most difference in tracking, was tightening the mixing head bolts and mixing arm bolts. The head movement is not near as light, but tracking is perfect and it is much more stable.

When the head was too loose, it would even sometimes bind (by twisting and catching on the main hub) and it would act as if it has sticky collective. Now that everything is tight, it is a 100% better heli.

Mike

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12-04-2005 02:25 AM  12 years agoPost 4
saahbs

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dct,

These are the bolts that made a huge difference on my HB-CP2.

If one side is more loose than the other, it will allow it's blade to pitch more under pressure. That blade will give both more positive and more negative pitch!

Mike

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12-04-2005 04:26 AM  12 years agoPost 5
ZeroKool

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Katy, Texas

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Mine does this too and I tried to tighten the allens but they were already tight.
I didnot try and loosen them though. My Blade still flies ok.


Steve in Texas


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12-04-2005 05:21 AM  12 years agoPost 6
turboomni

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East of the Equator

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The Honey bee cp2 just won't track the same way twice. I'm starting to just think they are junk!!! When you talk about tightening the head bolts and mixing arm bolts,,,, there are you talking about ?????
I never mentioned mixing arm bolts or head bolts,,that was saaahbs post. I mentioned the bolts that go through the Blade Grips. One is solid in all directions and rotates freely. The other rotates freely BUT has SLOP. You can move the blade grip in and out and it has slop when moved up and down/ in out,, where as the other blade grip is solid in all directions. This would explain why at times running it up in my hand or flying it at 0 pitch it would be in track BUT at full up or down collective it woyuld be out of track. I then adjust the links and while at full or less collective it would then be pretty close to track but at 0 degrees iit would be out because of the Slop of the bolt holding the blade grip Never Mind Inverted!!!!. I have heard of this in some Nitro heli's. One bolt is either to long or the threads on one end of the spindle is too short and can't pull the blade grip up tight enough to rid it of slop. Cutting a few threads off the bolt would do it and rid the blade grip of slop and the tracking would improve a great deal.
Check this out on your tracking problem helis and let me know.
My problem now is they used some Nasty Locktite on those bolts and the hex heads are stripped and now it's time for the fricken dremel tool.
I have had Shogun's V1 and Trex and Raptors and all tracking problems were easily solved. This will take abit of surgury I'm afraid as these blade grips are on there for keeps!
Anyone with tracking problems simular to mine check the blade grips for slop. If both have the same slop and no tracking problems,, great!
If both have No slop and no tracking problems ,,great ,let us know.
What I want to know if any have a tracking problem with one grip that has slop. I'd like to hear from all with this problem and the fixes.
Thanks

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12-04-2005 04:39 PM  12 years agoPost 7
Stormovic

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Morris Alabama

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I have the same problem with mine. Actually taking a few threads off one end of the spindle would take some of the in and out slop out of the head. Take too much off and you will have it too tight. I think all of the Blade Cp2 micros have this problem. My advice is to get tracking as close as you can and forget about it.

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12-04-2005 05:00 PM  12 years agoPost 8
saahbs

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Aurora, IL.

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Stormovic,

Or one could fill the free space with washers on each side. This way both sides will "fill" the same amount of free space. That worked on mine pretty well.

Mike

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12-05-2005 03:10 PM  12 years agoPost 9
GeneR

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Lake City, PA USA

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Horizon now sells "head dampening shims" for the Blade CP. These take up the extra space on the spindle. There are 8 in a package for 1.99.

I used 4 (two on each side, between the end washer and the stepped washer). Now the slop is completely gone. Tracking is better too.

You just have to be careful to make sure the shim does not get trapped between the spindle end and the end washer, in which case it does no good. I did it like this. Remove Spindle and put one allen bolt and end washer on one side and tighten. Put two shims on spindle. Reassemble rest of grip/head assy and hold head on its side with the grip without the screw facing up. Put in the last stepped washer, then 2 more shims making sure the shims fit around the spindle end, not on top of it. Then carefully put the remaining end washer and allen bolt in place. You can get it perfect this way.

Gene

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12-05-2005 03:35 PM  12 years agoPost 10
Awais

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Mississauga, Ontario - Canada

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For a while I attempted to get a very free moving head by loosening head parts for easier movement. This made the heli much more responsive but I could never get it to track perfectly. I have a Esky HB-CP2 so I have a Bell-Hiller head. What made the most difference in tracking, was tightening the mixing head bolts and mixing arm bolts. The head movement is not near as light, but tracking is perfect and it is much more stable.
Mike, this worked great. I was having the same problems with tracking. Sometimes the red blade was higher and sometimes the black. After tightening those bolts now the tracking is much better!!

Thanks,
Awais

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