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12-02-2005 04:35 PM  12 years agoPost 1
PetSketch

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Stormville, NY

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Hi all -

After doing much research on the new little Micron, I took the plunge and ordered one today. [positive comments on Jeremy at RCHover.com removed - I will no longer order from there].

I shall keep you posted as to how this little bird does. My REX wasn't really looking forward to flying through the frigid winter anyway. My thumbs don't work all that well in warm temperatures, much less when they're frozen by that north wind.

<>< Jim

"My wife is definitely a saint"

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12-09-2005 12:25 AM  12 years agoPost 2
cub2000

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Jim,
It looks interesting. Please keep us updated of the assembling process, knowing that the parts are tiny.

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12-13-2005 03:57 PM  12 years agoPost 3
bscfo1

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I just finished mine. I did break one of the clevises so I'm waiting on that part. I pushed the control rod right through it! Be careful. I will test fly it as soon as I get the part and give you a full report. The kit has a low parts count, seems to have decent quality and builds up fast. Some of the parts are very small. For the Jesus Pin(!), I had to use a magnifying glass. Some parts snap together, some require small screws/set screws, and some things require CA glue. You'll be doing some soldering. If you've built a kit before you won't be overwhelmed, but the small parts can be frustrating to hold, and soldering small things can be a challenge. It's so cool though, and the final result is an amazing little heli. Nobody can resist it! Everyone thinks it's so damn amazing. If you were single, you could pick up chicks with this thing! Really though, I expect it to fly fine indoors. My tests, (without elevator!) weren't too scary. Once I got Main/tail mix right, the tail didn't skid around. They tell me the heading hold gyro will work better, so if your interested, get it. It wasn't available when I bought mine. I'll let you know how the standard one works in flight though. Can't wait to leave work!

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12-13-2005 04:05 PM  12 years agoPost 4
z11355

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Some/most of the parts are exceedingly small.

You'll want tweezers or needle nose pliers, tiny soldering tips
and one of those magnifying hoods or lenses (on stand).

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12-13-2005 04:09 PM  12 years agoPost 5
deafheliflyer

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Arizona

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hi

I bought a Micron, opened the box and laughed my butt off.. TOO TINY FOR ME, and sold it LOL

Let me know how this thing flies.. in FF and in hovering indoors..

Im sure if someone coughs, that thing will go out of control!!

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12-13-2005 07:13 PM  12 years agoPost 6
cub2000

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If it flys well, I wouldn't mind paying a little extra for a complete RTF set. I think the main reason of selling the heli kits is the shipping cost. But now that the overall size of the heli is so small, the manufacture should really get the assembling job done for us.

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12-13-2005 08:03 PM  12 years agoPost 7
PetSketch

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My Assessment of the Micron

Hi all -

I just finished the build of my micron and my ratings are as follows:

Parts Quality: Good. It amazed me how precise things were for their small size.

Packaging: Good. Parts are separated in tiny ziplock bags.

Instruction Manual: Poor to Fair. Seems to be pretty typical for most of the helis I've built.

Electronics: Very small, but of pretty good quality, in my opinion.

Servo and electronics mounting: Poor. The servos, for instance, do not have a good mounting surface and the servo tape method allows for lots of movement. The rcvr, gyro, and mixeron are sandwiched side by side per instructions and could cause a glitch potential.

Set up and trim: I have not completed that process, but for me it will be time-consuming due to the poor servo mounting using servo tape and the lack of ability to adjust linkages easily.

Assembly: The parts, bearings, etc. are so small that you need patience and endurance plus good lighting, good eyes, and steady hands.

Other Stuff: If you have a dog or cat and you don't vacuum every half hour, beware of pet hair clogging the tiny swashplate and tail motor. The reason I took a break from finishing dialing it in is because just as I got close, my swashplate needed a good cleaning. It doesn't take much pet hair (like 1) to mess you up during the setup phase. We have a Papillon and her hair is so fine that it just gets everywhere, but especially loves this bird.

I believe it will be a very nice house bird once dialed in, but am seriously considering selling mine because I'm not sure I can ever get rid of enough pet hair so it's not a problem.

Keep an eye on the classifieds here or PM me if you might be interested.

Thanks -
<>< Jim

"My wife is definitely a saint"

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12-23-2005 01:31 AM  11 years agoPost 8
PetSketch

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Positive RCHover comments removed from original post

I was wrong about Jeremy at RCHover

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12-26-2005 08:03 PM  11 years agoPost 9
bscfo1

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Tampa, Florida - USA

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PetSketch,
I have so much experience with this thing it's just ridiculous. I also agree with everything you said in your post about the model, and the building process. You didn't mention the small pins, which in my opinion are the most challenging thing to assemble. They will also fly out if not glued. Earlier, when I was having so much trouble, I emailed the manufactuer (Precision) and RCHover, since I bought it there. I've had very good support from Precision, but Jeremy at RCHover didn't even reply. I'll probably just deal with Rick's for the rest of my heli needs, and Precision if I continue with this thing.

Okay - here's what you have to do if you want this thing to fly:

1. Assemble the head carefully, with everything centered and aligned.
2. Once aligned, CA the control arms so they don't slip.
3. CA the flybar weights to the center of the flybar.
4. Once the head pin is in place, CA it to the head. THEN snap the washout into place.
5. Get a good gear mesh, not too tight. Should turn easily.
6. Hot glue the skids to the body.
7. Hot glue the servos together and to the body. Build up the void where they overhang with the glue for stability.
8. Hold the model and run up the motor. Move the control surfaces and look for any thing that binds or glitches. I had a strange glitch when going to extremes on the cyclic, so I reduced them to 70%. It helped.
9. To tame the tail somewhat, use a lower mix (12) and a higher gyro rate. (80%) Precision told me the opposite but it didn't work. This WILL make it turn easier to the left then the right so be prepared.
10. Don't use the revo on either gyro. (rate or heading hold)
11. Don't trim it out on the carpet. A tile floor is better because you can tell where it's going to go BEFORE it rolls over! And it will.

With this setup you can fly this thing. It will still pulse occasionally and make the tail jump, but it's softer and easier to catch with the mix low and the gyro high.

I can now do figure 8's, piroettes, small circuits (left and right) and the occassional nose in hover. As long as you have a freshly charged battery, it's flies similar to your other birds except it's affected by light wind, (breath!) and it lags in the vertical response. (Typical fixed pitch) Of course the tail will be harder to control as well.

I'm finally starting to enjoy it now. I've even flown it outside. On a calm day, it's easier to fly because you don't have to worry about hitting anything. Just go for it. As long as you don't leave it running when you crash it in the grass, nothing breaks.

I don't sell these things, I just like a good challenge. I've talked to the manufacturer and suggested many things. They are very open to ideas which is unique. They told me they are addressing ALL of the problems that I've encountered. Amazing. We'll see if they come through. I personally would like to try a collective pitch version of the Micron. They told me it's due mid year. Good luck.

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12-30-2005 07:49 PM  11 years agoPost 10
PetSketch

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bscfo1 -

Thanks for taking time to write all that. I agree, those little pins are something! Especially lining all that stuff up on the swash! I received my parts, finally, and now have to get back in the right attitude to dial in again. I shall keep you posted. Have a blessed New Year!

<>< Jim

"My wife is definitely a saint"

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01-07-2006 11:54 PM  11 years agoPost 11
bscfo1

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Tampa, Florida - USA

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PetSketch,
I just wanted to mention that most of my troubles earlier on were my fault, I somehow messed up the servos when I was trying to remove the brackets to save weight. Don't bother. When I left the new servos alone and just installed them, the heli became much more controllable. The weight savings isn't worth the damage you can do to these fragile servos if they come apart or loosen.

Right now the only real concern is the flight time. Once the battery starts to lose power, it sags. Mine will do it in about 3 minutes in a hover. But it's so much fun, so I just land, pause, and take off again for another minute before it sags again. I've done this for 10 minutes. As the battery sits, it gets it's power back briefly. It's lithium, so it probably not good for it though.

I really think this thing is pretty cool. With a head holding gyro the tail pulses would be eliminated, especially turning left.

I do S turns, small circuits, left and right, (right is easier) nose in, piroettes, and it WILL hover hands off. The only time I feel out of control is during tail pulses and power sags. Still, the damn thing just amazes me when I hold it side on in a close hover right in front of me. Just sits there like my big X-cell!

Build it carefully, align everything, don't trim the servo brackets, level the swashplate and go. My mix is 12, gyro is 75%. I think higher mix setting make the pulses more violent and harder to catch. Try both. It WILL fly, not long, but damn good. Can't wait for the collective pitch model. Take care, Good Luck.

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01-22-2006 11:27 PM  11 years agoPost 12
jfassino

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Peoria, Illinois

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Dan just let me send my video of my Micron to him for hosting. Its a very big file but wanted to have some better quality video.

Enjoy and thanks to Dan for helping.

Jim

http://www.smallrc.com/forum/vb_juk...n&mysong=90

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