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12-02-2005 02:44 PM  12 years agoPost 1
aambrose

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Surely some of you guys have had to deal with this to some degree in regards to your aerial work. Just wondering what your experiences were and how you dealt with them and what the outcome was.

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12-02-2005 02:45 PM  12 years agoPost 2
Dakine

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What are your damages?

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12-02-2005 03:21 PM  12 years agoPost 3
aambrose

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I'm just wondering if anyone has had to deal with this. Primarily, someone using a photo (in print or web) without permission. I guess damages would be the usage fee????

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12-02-2005 03:43 PM  12 years agoPost 4
jb_turner

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Looking at the whole picture it may cost heaps more trying to collect the fee than the fee itself.

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12-02-2005 03:52 PM  12 years agoPost 5
Dakine

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For the Internet:

The first course of action would be to demand that your images be taken off the said site immediately until usage condition and fees are negotiated and paid.

Once the site takes off your images, it would be hard to render punitive damages, especially from a small 'Little Joe Schmuck" website.

Big named stock agencies won't even take the risk of copyright infringement so you won't find it an issue here.

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12-02-2005 03:55 PM  12 years agoPost 6
rkeith2

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Copyrights

I agree with Tony. Cause of action goes away if images are removed.

Even when trust is present I usually have a watermark on anything of value.


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12-02-2005 03:56 PM  12 years agoPost 7
rkeith2

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Image

Appearing in Pro Per this am -

Wasssup Mr. Rawlings?

Howz the Jet Cat


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12-02-2005 03:57 PM  12 years agoPost 8
Dakine

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Solution:

I've encoded into my images where when someone downloads and illegally use my images, a little script is excuted to completely format their a: to z: drives This is assuming they would want to use my images in the first place, and not sure why?

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12-02-2005 04:01 PM  12 years agoPost 9
aambrose

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But once the case is settled, I would think you would be able to recoup any additional costs/fees in the settlement.

I'm talking about an obvious misuse of a photo even when the person at fault knowingly did it and knew the usage fees up front but chose to ignore them.

I can't go into much detail at this time. I have dated copies of their web page and the source code in PDF format.

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12-02-2005 05:00 PM  12 years agoPost 10
Dakine

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Ron,

All is well. Let me know when you're ready to buy the turbine. I'm on to the next project already

aambrose,
I can't go into much detail
This is the premise of the case wouldn't it?

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12-02-2005 05:51 PM  12 years agoPost 11
aambrose

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I will elaborate when I can. I mainly wanted to hear others' experiences with stuff like this just to get an idea of how they handled it and what the outcome (if any) was.

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12-02-2005 06:22 PM  12 years agoPost 12
Dakine

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I hope it will be a favorable outcome in your situation.

Good luck!

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12-02-2005 07:35 PM  12 years agoPost 13
aambrose

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Yeah, it's really burnin' my rear end! They knew da** good and well what they were doing! Hopefully, they'll just fess up and pay the usage fee.


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12-02-2005 08:44 PM  12 years agoPost 14
crux12

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Going thru a similar issue under a non-disclosure agreement with an online source and thru work. Developed a micro gimbal and they posted images and video clips online. Also is appears as if they are attempting to compete with us in the same business segment using our technology.

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12-03-2005 01:59 AM  12 years agoPost 15
mdelzer

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It depends on how big of a fish you're trying to fry. An example of this would be the Yahoo youdle sound that we all hear in all of the Yahoo commercials. As someone stated large corporations don't want to risk the copy right crap so they will eithe pay or won't use. In the case of Yahoo, their contract was with the artist to use it for ONE commercial. Long story short, someone at Yahoo F'd up and they started using it for everything. The artist was awarded over $7,000,000. So it is all relative to who used it and how. Also you might have something if you can prove they profitted from the use.

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12-03-2005 05:27 PM  12 years agoPost 16
aambrose

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I will elaborate on this later. It was a blatant use our our photo -- especially under the circumstances. I appreciate the input from everyone.


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12-22-2005 05:38 AM  11 years agoPost 17
aambrose

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Update

Well, we received a check in the mail today from the realtor. That sure was a relief! Honestly, I was expecting him to be a jerk and not pay, but I was wrong. My reason for expecting that...

I met with him the day before Thanksgiving to discuss taking aerials of some commercial property. He also asked about using one of our existing photos of a different commercial property we had taken for a customer in July. He's an associate for a rather large commercial real estate company who has individual lots listed on the property we shot in July. He wanted to use the photo in his brochures to illustrate the lots and their location in relation to nearby businesses. I quoted him a price and he never committed one way or the other. His words were, "Well, I just wanted to check because we don't want to violate any copyright laws".

Five days later, I was showing a friend the realtor's website and there was a thumbnail of our photo beside every lot that was listed! Upon clicking on a thumbnail, it opened a PDF with a 4 page brochure containing a full page copy of our photo cropped and marked up to show the lots. The PDF was created the day BEFORE I had met with the realtor. I realize someone else in his office could have created it but I doubt that was the case.

My first reaction was to call him and confront him as politely as I could, but I decided to send him a short polite letter thanking him for deciding to use our photo. I also enclosed an invoice detailing the use of our photo and sent it all certified. This real estate company could be potential business, although my first thoughts are to be a bit hesitant. Secondly, I know they got the photo from the customer whom we shot the photo for in July, and I don't want to ruin any relationship with them since they have been great. Maybe a friendly letter reminding them that they aren't to redistribute the photos.

Well, there's the jist of it all. I guess it goes to show politeness works sometimes! Thanks to all of you who offered your advice. I really appreciate it!


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12-22-2005 04:56 PM  11 years agoPost 18
RoadkillBC

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Nicely done, Tony, glad it worked out to your benefit!

Earlier this week I had a meeting with a school official who wanted to purchase some additional prints of their high school. As we walked past several offices, I noticed that one of my aerials appeared as wallpaper on every PC within view. He said he scanned one of my 8x10's and it's on every PC in the building (about 80 or so!). Well he must have noticed my expression because he asked if that was a problem, and he immediately offered to remove them if it was. So I did what we all try to do when we're suddenly confronted with a situation like that; I maintained a professional attitude and politely explained the problem.

In the end, he purchased the copyrights to that image, and bought several additional poster-sized prints as well. And most importantly, he'll remain as one of my best customers, and I know I'll be able to count on him for future referrals - the greatest form of advertising there is.

"People skills" make and break businesses like ours every day. I'm glad to be associated with guys like you who understand the value of professional service.

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12-22-2005 06:53 PM  11 years agoPost 19
aambrose

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Thank you.
"People skills" make and break businesses like ours every day.
You got that right! My first reaction was to call him or pay him a personal visit and make a big stink, but in the end I think sending him a short polite thank you letter along with an invoice worked best. Just needed a "cooling off period". Of course I documented everything as well. Hopefully they will want to use our service in the future.


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