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12-01-2005 05:28 PM  12 years agoPost 1
Heli PIC

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Petaluma, CA USA

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I just got my Blade CP two days ago from an ebay hobby shop. When I charged up my battery and took it up for a spin, I noticed radio glitches left and right. I tried indoor as well as outdoor and was not able to resolve the gliching problem. I was not sure if the rx in the 4-in-1 unit was no good or if the tx was defective.
Since I have a Hitec Eclipse 7 for my gas helis, I decided to program the tx and give it a try. Guess what, the heli flew flawlessly and never had any glitching problem since then.
By the way, I did call Horizon for tech support. The technician was pretty certain that it was the receiver that was defective and ask me to send back the 4-in-1 unit. Had I done that, I guess the problem would not have been resolved.
They stated that all blades have been tested in the factory. When I first inpected my blade, the 3 ccpm pitch rods all have different length. The gear mesh was so loose that the gears would skip when I powered up. I was surprised that they were able to get this thing to fly at the factory. I wonder how a newbie would be able to get this thing airborne. If one crashed because of radio glitches, whose fault would it be?

Conclusion of my Blade CP experience:
1. Good setup for a micro. Very airworthy if setup right.
2. Poor quality control. The transmitter is a piece of junk.
3. Tech support treat people as if they don't know what's going on.
4. Test flown at the factory?? I think it's false advertisement.

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12-01-2005 08:38 PM  12 years agoPost 2
Furious Predator

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Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

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Tech support treat people as if they don't know what's going on
i bet 90% or more of the people buying the Blade DONT know what they are doing, but i understand what your commin from though.

i dont think they can garantee that EVERY blade has been test flown. i've spent my fair share of time on assembly and production lines. when your doin the same bloody thing 1000 times a day, after a while ya just dont care anymore. for me, i would start by checking every part, then after a while you know what your doin and you dont actually NEED to check them all.
But that would be managment not staying on top of their workers to ensure the job is being done correctly, they take shortcuts, like i did, and everyone else i knew on the line. maybe you got one of the last few done on a friday night and they just tossed it together quick to meet the quota.
for me its not hard to understand how people could get a bad product once in a while.

Shawn
Team Leisure-Tech
Team HelixRC

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01-21-2006 01:39 AM  11 years agoPost 3
flyingguy

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New England

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These are not $75 throw-togethers. For the price, QC should be very good.

N1QVE

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01-21-2006 03:40 AM  11 years agoPost 4
Furious Predator

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Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

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Price doesn't always control quality, its up to the people that make them, they control the quality. if there is a problem it could either be a defective part under no ones control, or it could be poor managment, such has my last CNC machine shop job. just because all the parts we made were done on CNC's, doesn't mean jack when you have people that know anything about machining. and an even worse managment who only wants money but never goes out to check that things are the way they should doesnt help. you should have seen how many parts were scrapped. on average it was so bad that by the time a part has gone through lets say 40 cutting processes, there was less then a 50% chance that the $50 part would make it out the way it should be, and maybe 0.05% of that 50 is defective material (bad castings)

so....its a small expensive part, but i'll be damned if the QC does their job...unless ISO guys are visiting.

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01-21-2006 06:52 PM  11 years agoPost 5
stealth916

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Rocklin, CA

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I wonder if 'Factory Test Flown' means the Tx that shipped with the heli was used during the test.

I as well as other have had Tx problems. More than a few folks in this forum have solved their glitch problems by simply switching to their better radio.

If you are a factory heli tester, it is probably easier and way faster to have one Tx charged up, and insert the crystal you need to test the heli in front of you, than to insert and then remove batteries from every Tx going out the door.

I also noticed my Tx trims were way out of whack from the box, so either it wasn't used for the test, or got bumped on the way.


Thoughts?

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01-21-2006 06:59 PM  11 years agoPost 6
cwright

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Blossvale New York

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When you programmed your Hitec for the blade did you use the 4 in 1 that came with the blade or did you install a different receiver? I thought about trying this with my Futaba 8U as well. Chuck

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01-21-2006 08:14 PM  11 years agoPost 7
nivlek

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Norfolk England

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I have been told that a brand of heli sold in the UK , adverstised as pre test flown , are not test flown with the supplied tx . It sounds like the same is true in this case .

At the end of the day , it gets dark .

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01-22-2006 12:44 AM  11 years agoPost 8
astroflyer

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Milford, Nova Scotia, Canada

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We had a frequency mixup at our field this past summer where a blade pilot forgot he was on 21 and pinned channel 26, his normal aircraft frequency.

He was hovering on a side area about 150 feet from my spot in the pits. I was instructing a new student and we had the 21 pin. Expecting no problems when we started up his aircraft, we saw none!

Meanwhile, unknown to us the blade pilot saw some immediate glitching and put the heli down and started looking for the problem...his transmitter still on.

we carried the trainer to the runway and started a takeoff which proceeded normally until the plane passed by the blade pilot and active transmitter at which time it rolled over and dove into the ground. NOT a normal thing for this gentle airplane!

The post morten discovered the frequency conflict.

The thing that amazed me was the very short range exhibited by that blade radio. we had our radio on and the engine running for at least a couple of minutes before going out to the runway. Even though the blade radio, not that far away, was on all that time we saw NO interference.

My personal blade with the stock radio could not be flown any distance away to my right without glitching and one time actually crashing. However, I could fly it much farther off to the left....go figure

I now use my Cap 9 with no glitching.

cheers
Papa Sharptooth

Bouncing about the living room, my then three year old grandson declared himself "a kangaroo".
"If you're a Kangaroo, what is Grampie", I ask.
His reply:  "you a dinosaur"

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01-22-2006 02:21 AM  11 years agoPost 9
heliboy1023

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Tinton Falls, NJ

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These are not $75 throw-togethers. For the price, QC should be very good.

N1QVE
For $220, you get a rtf heli, which is pretty damm good. When I bought my t-rex, I spent $200 right there just on the kit, which right out of the box, has to have a few fixes done to it before you can even start building. So just because something is little bit of money, doesn't mean that it will be the best quality.
Then again, the actual blade cp is a cheap heli. The radio is about 25-35% of the price, so if they were to sell it w/o the radio, you would see they are just cheap heli's thrown together.

You know you have to many heli's only when your wallet is empty.

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01-22-2006 06:43 AM  11 years agoPost 10
BikeNBoatN

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Santa Ana, CA USA

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When you programmed your Hitec for the blade did you use the 4 in 1 that came with the blade or did you install a different receiver? I thought about trying this with my Futaba 8U as well. Chuck
I have my Optic6 programmed to fly my BCP with the stock 4-in-1. Since I have the Spectra module, it didn't even require a new crystal in the 4-in-1. Just dial it in, program the Tx (easy to say, lengthy in practice) and fly. No mods at all required to the 4-in-1. Your Futaba should not require any mods to the 4-in-1 either. JR and Airtronics run positive shift, so they need different Rx's.

Brent.

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