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12-01-2005 02:36 PM  12 years agoPost 1
hoysurdady

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What are the benefits of a govner anyways, im not to familiar with what they actually do. why would you want one?

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12-01-2005 02:42 PM  12 years agoPost 2
BarracudaHockey

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They keep the head speed consistent making the need to tweak throttle curves and the like a lot less critical.

I run the revlock and set a basic throttle curve and let it do the rest. Things you will notice right away is the head wont run away when you unload the collective doing things like fast descents and 540 stall turns.

I hadn't run a governor before and I bought a used EVO and it came with one. I flew it twice and stole my buddies spare revlock and installed it in my Raptor because I didn't want to wait till the one I was going to order got shipped here.

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12-01-2005 03:07 PM  12 years agoPost 3
JuanRodriguez

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To add to what barracudahockey said.....

It's an electronic device coupled to your throttle servo. The "sensor" picks up engine engine RPM via a magnet installed on the fan and sends the info to the gov electronics..... When it "sees" the RPM change either up or down, a command is sent to the throttle servo to either open or close the throttle in an attempt to maintain the RPM setting you have it "set" to.....

End result is that your engine RPM remains constant (in theory) and thus your headspeed remains constant.... (again, in theory) .

As a "beginner" , you don't really need one.... not until you get to the point of doing aerobatics......

Even at that point , some will argue that a governor is not needed at all if your throttle and pitch curves are properly set and you learn how to manage your collective with available engine power......

It boils down to a personal preference thing at the end. Personally, I like the governors and use one (TJ Pro) on every machine I own (3 currently)

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12-01-2005 03:47 PM  12 years agoPost 4
BarracudaHockey

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some will argue that a governor is not needed at all if your throttle and pitch curves are properly set and you learn how to manage your collective with available engine power
The same could be said for heading hold gyros but I'm for anything that makes life simpler on a very complicated machine.

He's right though, until you get into some serious thrashing around you probably won't notice a difference.

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12-01-2005 04:03 PM  12 years agoPost 5
Nitrohuffer

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Bloomingburg,NY

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If you get into using idle2 and going inverted, it makes life lovely.

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12-01-2005 04:15 PM  12 years agoPost 6
spaceman spiff

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Tucson

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It is easier to set the curves corectly than it is to install a governor. A lot cheaper too. My head overspeeds in some manuvers (full power decent), but no big deal. As far as i'm concerned it is just annother thing to be replaced when you crash.

Dumped one on its nose last weekend, lots of damage. glad i didn't have a 611 and a governor up front. sometimes less is more.

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12-01-2005 04:17 PM  12 years agoPost 7
Phaedrus

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I generally agree here. If all you are doing is learning to hover then just set up a throttle / pitch curve that works while you learn the basics. Make that your "normal" flight mode. Once you progress to FF and FFF with aerobatics (loops, rolls, 540 stall turns, etc.) then a governor is too cool for school and I would not fly without one.

I see no great benefit is going through all the hassle of trying to get a perfect throttle curve for flying around. It is ALWAYS a compromise, so why not let modern electronics do the work while you focus on flying?

I always keep my normal flight mode as governor off and with a throttle curve that will let me land and hover if needed.

It's just another tool in the box and when you are ready for it nothing beats using the right tool for the job.

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12-01-2005 05:45 PM  12 years agoPost 8
SC Raptorman

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Gov are great for learners and pros

I think a person learning to fly or hover around it makes life alot easier to set default throttle curve and let the gov work to help your learning curve faster .Then after you fly alittle and get used to set ups and flying skills its your choice to run a gov or speed control or radio curve settings . Just my 2 cents

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12-01-2005 07:03 PM  12 years agoPost 9
BarracudaHockey

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Jacksonville FL

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How hard is it to install a governor? It took me longer to read the directions for my Revlock than to install and set it up.

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12-01-2005 07:52 PM  12 years agoPost 10
SRH990

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Birmingham, UK

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Got to agree, the Revlock is easy to install & setup. After fitting one to my R50 and wondering how I'd managed without for so long (like heading hold gyros). I bought a Hawk Pro with the intention of fitting it into a fuselage eventually, after a few flights I had to get another Revlock for this.

My throttle & pitch curves arn't perfect but their near enough to manage without the governor so why spend hours tweaking when the governor makes it easy, helis are hard enough to fly as it is and I'm all for progress, I'm old enough to remember gyros when they were gyros with spinning flywheels - I'd never go back.

Steve -Trex 700N, Trex 600N, Raptor 550E, 450SE, Mini Titan, Logo 5003D, Beam E4

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12-01-2005 08:55 PM  12 years agoPost 11
Jeff Greunke

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You may want to consider looking into the Rev Max which is a limiter

Raptor 30, Raptor 50, Raptor 50#2, E620

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12-01-2005 10:50 PM  12 years agoPost 12
A. Bundy

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Aurora,IL. 30W/SW of Chicago

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They are very usefull to me to keep from overspeeding the head.You don't need one,but I will never fly without one.They spoil you...........You still fine tune your curves before you run the gov.The cuves are a default if the gov or sensor fails.

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12-02-2005 12:28 AM  12 years agoPost 13
dragonlord

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luton uk

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well i learned on 30 with no governner

converted the 30 to a 50 with a 50 hyper and need one too get head speed right
and boy does it make life simpler
personaly if found the rev lock very good

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12-02-2005 12:46 AM  12 years agoPost 14
OICU812

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Rev Max baby, I love it!

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12-02-2005 02:23 AM  12 years agoPost 15
dtm360

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My vote goes for Revmax also.....

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12-02-2005 03:07 AM  12 years agoPost 16
pistole

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Heli Land ....

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I believe the main reason for newbies to stay away from Governors
is that a Governor will mask out a poorly tuned engine and may
result in someone just flying the crap out of it till it seizes from
overheating.

second , learning to set up curves (both pitch and throttle) is part
of the essential process of learning to setup a heli. Anyone getting
into helis must learn this in order to be able to get the most out of
his heli/spot troubles , later on.
.
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12-02-2005 05:04 AM  12 years agoPost 17
turboomni

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I agree with pistole. You really should know the basic concepts of tuning a motor and matching it with your pitch curve. It's very difficult to master especially if you are a begginer or flew planks and thought you knew all about 2 cycle motors. I learned on a Rappy 30 with no Gov. I learned much about how to setup a motor and pitch curves and throttle cyclic mixes and what variable did what and why. Why being the most important,,maybe.
With that knowlege I am now ready to explore a Gov on my Rappy 50 with a Hyper. I believe I finally got the throttle pitch curve in the ball park to install a Gov.
I don't believe in plug and play unless you really know what the hell is involved with the process. Then you will understand why it's not working for you. That is my plan anyway. When I install a Revmax I want some ammo in my brain to figure out why it's not working the first time out, if that is the case.
Helpless is a state of mind.

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12-02-2005 06:50 AM  12 years agoPost 18
OICU812

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Edson, Alberta, Canada

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Or there is another way to look at it, install a governor after burning through at least 5 tanks to break in, tune your engine best you can and install your governor. Every so often say after each gallon or two, unhook it check your base plate temps, do your climbouts etc retune if needed and hook back up, pretty simple as well.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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12-02-2005 08:18 PM  12 years agoPost 19
SRH990

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Birmingham, UK

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With the Revlock I can switch off the governor from the transmitter which I do every 3rd flight or so just to check engine settings & temps. I would agree a governor is probably not a good idea when you're just learning hovering and lazy 8's but once you need idle up when you're into circuits the engine should be well setup and a governor would be useful.

Steve -Trex 700N, Trex 600N, Raptor 550E, 450SE, Mini Titan, Logo 5003D, Beam E4

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