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12-01-2005 11:13 PM  12 years agoPost 21
Shortman

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Whats even more ironic is that most lithium battery technology is all made in the same factories, then companies buy or tell the one same company what they want, and they make it for them. In this case, you can pay 3x the amount for the exact same battery.

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12-01-2005 11:25 PM  12 years agoPost 22
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Given that the Sony pack is IDENTICAL to the Futaba pack I see very little chance of any problems.

However, running a Duralite in a TX made for NiMH or Nicad seems ill advised to me. I know plenty of factory pilots who can get them for free and get their radio for free and still won't do it. Go figure.

As far as the life of a pack, that is entirely within the published spec.

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12-01-2005 11:34 PM  12 years agoPost 23
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The Sony charger (BCV615) is not identical to the Futaba charger. The latter charges at 1.5 amps, while the former only does 0.6 A.

None of the larger capacity (Sony) packs will work either due to their size. You can't get rid of the door since it is used to actually keep the battery from sliding back out. In addition, the taller batteries will not slide into the 14MZ compartment without some surgery.

I'd rather burn-out a $35 battery pack than a $80 one at any time. You will be charging these quite a bit, so their life will probably be a lot less than what most people are used to having. Having the cheaper alternative, once you're radio has gone over warranty, is definitely good to have. Can't beat two batteries for the price of one sans the Futaba logo.

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12-01-2005 11:38 PM  12 years agoPost 24
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were receivers or servos only meant to be run on only nicad/nimh vs lithium? i dont see the difference there, as far as chemistry goes voltage is voltage, of which the same arguement can be said about sony vs "futaba" batteries.
Given that the Sony pack is IDENTICAL to the Futaba pack I see very little chance of any problems.
yea, its still the last thing in the world youd expect that screws you. if sh!t works, then kudos to them on finding an alternative.

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once you're radio has gone over warranty, is definitely good to have.
damn right, i couldnt agree more. if theres nothing that can be done warranty wise then do whatever you want.

but if your caught with your pants down, dont cry about it being the same battery and a voided warranty.

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12-01-2005 11:47 PM  12 years agoPost 25
Phaedrus

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were receivers or servos only meant to be run on only nicad/nimh vs lithium? i dont see the difference there, as far as chemistry goes voltage is voltage, of which the same arguement can be said about sony vs "futaba" batteries.
Of course the difference is that the Sony/Futaba packs are the identical voltage and cell type. While the Duralite is running at a significantly higher voltage. I've had all three major radio makers tell me that it is a terrible idea to run their TXs at higher than the stock voltage. Which is why I will not do it.

And these are NOT people just singing the company marketing line. They are technical folks who know their product.

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12-01-2005 11:49 PM  12 years agoPost 26
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hehe im going to pm ya, gonna cut the thread jacking here.

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12-02-2005 12:18 AM  12 years agoPost 27
Phaedrus

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RCFAN WROTE:

[quote]The Sony charger (BCV615) is not identical to the Futaba charger. The latter charges at 1.5 amps, while the former only does 0.6 A.
[/quote}

Where did you find this spec?? I have actually looked at one and it was the same as my Futaba charger. I cannot find any online specs right now. Be interesting to see. Sony does have a bad habit of having duplicate part numbers, etc. Very odd.

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12-02-2005 12:41 AM  12 years agoPost 28
ScareCrow_Delta

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Alright, let's go back to the original sticks. YES you can use a different battery with the same specs. NOBODY is arguing that in the beggining of the post, (RCFan and I ). The point was, it will VOID your waranty $2000-$2200 at a cost of $35 saving. After a year, FUTABA could care less what you put in there, you gonna pay their labor and parts cost in full.

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I would not be surprise if you cracked your screen and sent it to FUTABA only to be returned saying your warranty is voided (you forgot to take out your alternate battery).

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12-02-2005 12:42 AM  12 years agoPost 29
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Phaedrus - I own one (Sony charger); got it with a Sony Mavica. It will charge the Futaba batts., but it takes more that twice as long as the Futaba one (and it'll void your warranty ).

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01-23-2006 04:04 AM  11 years agoPost 30
Ace Dude

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The point was, it will VOID your waranty $2000-$2200 at a cost of $35 saving.
Perhaps, I'm missing something, but where does Futaba explicitly state your warranty will be voided if you do not use their battery?

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01-23-2006 05:59 AM  11 years agoPost 31
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The main question I want an answer to is - if the battery packs are the same, anyone know if Sony has a TX that looks the same as the 14MZ for half the price, if so it will be a winner, and you probably don't void the warranty when you use a futaba battery in it.

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01-24-2006 01:06 AM  11 years agoPost 32
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Perhaps, I'm missing something, but where does Futaba explicitly state your warranty will be voided if you do not use their battery?
Page 5 of 127 on the manual on the section Application, Export and Modification
3. Modification, adjustment, and replacement of parts: Futaba is not responsible for unauthorized modification, adjustment,
and replacement of parts on this product. Any such changes may void the warranty.
page 7 of 27 explicitly says this
Use only the Futaba lithium ion
transmitter charger included with this set for, or other chargers approved by Futaba to charge the Li-Ion batteries in
the 14MZ transmitter.

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01-24-2006 01:44 AM  11 years agoPost 33
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Wording is purposely vague ... "may void warranty". It's really up to whomever services a support case to determine if warranty was voided. Most of the wording is based on legal liability should someone have an accident while using a non-Futaba supported part. Just make sure that if you ever have to send in radio for service, don't include any "aftermarket" add-ons...

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01-24-2006 02:30 AM  11 years agoPost 34
Ace Dude

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3. Modification, adjustment, and replacement of parts: Futaba is not responsible for unauthorized modification, adjustment,
and replacement of parts on this product. Any such changes may void the warranty.
Use only the Futaba lithium ion
transmitter charger included with this set for, or other chargers approved by Futaba to charge the Li-Ion batteries in
the 14MZ transmitter.
Thanks for posting. Typical boilerplate text.

As RCfan indicates the first quote says it "may" void the warranty.

The second quote makes no reference to voiding the warranty.

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01-24-2006 02:32 AM  11 years agoPost 35
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So you purchase a $2200 14mz and go cheap on the battery?

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01-24-2006 02:42 AM  11 years agoPost 36
Ace Dude

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So you purchase a $2200 14mz and go cheap on the battery?
Actually, they're $1950 at Rick's. Forget about the $250 I just saved you....

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01-24-2006 02:43 AM  11 years agoPost 37
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01-24-2006 03:34 AM  11 years agoPost 38
ScareCrow_Delta

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I agree that the texts are vaquely written so they can deny warranty if they need to. The second quote instructs you to use only futaba charger and battery, if you don't it "may" go back to the first quote saying don't modify stuff.

Like previuosly said, take out any aftermarket stuff before sending.

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01-24-2006 10:21 PM  11 years agoPost 39
Ace Dude

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Looks like they even address this question in the FAQ, although there is no mention of any warranty issues.

http://www.14mz.com/faq/faq-14mz-q815.html

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