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11-30-2005 06:21 PM  12 years agoPost 1
V8Buggy (RIP)

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Ok, I am considering switching to Li Po’s and an Arizona reg. I am looking for the dual voltage feature. I want to run the swash servos probably 9350’s on 6 V. and of course the gyro and it’s servo, GY611 and 9256 at 5 V. It looks like their reg. Is made just for this.

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What about my GV-1 and 9254 throttle servo, OK at 6V.? Maybe change to a 9650 servo?

What about the receiver, OK at 6V.?

Also, I do not like the “pin and flag” switch, can it be wired “on” right on the board, then use a standard switch?

What about field load testing? Right now I do a 2 amp load test before flight.

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11-30-2005 07:01 PM  12 years agoPost 2
Blademan7065

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can it be wired “on” right on the board
Dont know about htat, but You caould always leave the RX battery leads out in the open and simply plug them into the Reg whan it is time to fly.

I have heard of quite a few people doing this. Takes one more component out of the equasion.

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11-30-2005 07:17 PM  12 years agoPost 3
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Everything you ever wanted to know...

http://www.helifreak.com/about7476.html&highlight=

You can do all the things you want with the Arizona.

The review on Helifreak has direct answers to your questions.

Look in my gallery to see how I used a regular switch for the Arizona.
However I think you will find the pin/flag is a great system.

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11-30-2005 07:18 PM  12 years agoPost 4
Dr Lodge

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The lower 5V output is for your gyro & its servo, the adjustable output (up to 6V) is for everything else.

You can use a switch in place of pin and flag, no problem. Its a fail safe system - you short the switch to turn if off.

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11-30-2005 07:22 PM  12 years agoPost 5
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As I understand it, the pin flag is an option of the Arizona regulator; you don't "have" to have it.
However, the pin flag switch offers some very tangible benefits in that it elimates the possibility of a mechanical switch failing, and bringing your machine down.
As far as simply plugging/unplugging leads, eventually that's going to subject the contacts to wear, and you may experience an intermittant connection. Most plugs weren't designed for that kind of constant use.

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11-30-2005 07:25 PM  12 years agoPost 6
Dr Lodge

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it elimates the possibility of a mechanical switch failing, and bringing your machine down.
So how would that happen, given its a fail safe device ie fails open/on?

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11-30-2005 07:31 PM  12 years agoPost 7
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Thanks All

Doesn't sound like anyone's ever tried the GV-1 on 6 volts, so that may be a problem. Also I am not sure about running 4.8 Volt only Futaba servos on 6 volts, but I could run a different throttle servo. If I understand correctly I could still use my Futaba switch and just plug the reg into it? My charge jack still works?
Oh yea, could I still field load test through my charge jack?

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11-30-2005 07:32 PM  12 years agoPost 8
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If I'm wrong I'm sure I'll be corrected, but I understand it works in the same manner as the Jaccio "perfect switch"
For the power to be on to the system the switch contacts are open, for the power to be off to the system the contacts are closed. If/when a switch fails, the only way it will be noticed is that power can not be turned off to the system.
I got sick of replacing switches at regular intervals as PM in my airplanes/helicopters, so many years ago I started using the Jaccio perfect switch w/regulator.

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11-30-2005 07:41 PM  12 years agoPost 9
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Hmmm, Maybe just..

short their auto switch to be on, then insert my Futaba switch in between the batt. and regulator. That should allow me to test and charge through the charge lead?? Only problem is I would need a special load tester for the 7.4 volts. Hmm??

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11-30-2005 07:49 PM  12 years agoPost 10
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GV-1

I have been running 6V on my Stratus for the last few months. I believe it's the servo that can't deal with the 6V. Just put a servo on the throttle that is advertised as 6V ready, I don't think the 9254 is one of them.

As far as the switch, you can hook it into the same location as the pin/flag and short it (see the helifreak post) with a small loop. The switch doesn't actually sit between the battery and the reg, it just hooks up to the switch lead.

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11-30-2005 08:00 PM  12 years agoPost 11
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Great, I can run a 9650 for throttle...

it's rated for 6 volts, and it saves a little weight also. Now if I can figure out this switch / charger / load test issue. I really don't want to be takeing everything all apart between flights, and to charge. I saw a guy at our field with one of these, but I,m sure there's a better way. He had this long wire pin switch hanging down. He had to remove his canopy, unplug some wires, plug in some wires to load test. Then re-plug those and unplug others to field charge. He even removed his conopy to pull the pin, and then tied the wire and pin switch up out of harms way. To many steps and to many places for something to go wrong.

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11-30-2005 08:38 PM  12 years agoPost 12
fitenfyr

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The 9254 can handle 6v's, but Futaba does not recommend it.
From what I have been able to gather the sensor is the unit that cannot handle 6v continous.

I ran my GV-1 on 6v no problem. I used a JR 811 digital and it worked great as a throttle servo.

You can use a standard switch on the Arizona, but you will need to do a small modification to make it work.
Like I suggested read that Helifreak post and you will see how I did it.
It is way too much to re-type or I would post it here.

There is a check lead on the Arizona. You can put whatever kind of standard load meter you want onto that lead and read it without issue.

I have been using a Hobbico unit, however I usually just use my reading on the GV-1 or GY502/601 sensor.
The guys at Fromeco felt it was probably enough load to get a reliable reading on the unit.

I have been using both the pin/flag switches (my preference) and the standard Futaba heavy duty switch modifed for this use without issue.
The pin/flag switch is just a round phono type jack. It can be mounted just about anywhere.
Sounds like a new installation and he just hadn't worked out all the locations yet.
I never have to pull the hood on my helis to check voltage or pull the pin.

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11-30-2005 08:52 PM  12 years agoPost 13
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Ok, Sounds like I can make it work..

I read the Helifreak post right off, but must be something wrong with my puter, probably security or such, as none of the pictures are there. Also does this give you a charge lead without disconeccting anything?

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11-30-2005 09:02 PM  12 years agoPost 14
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Yeah I forgot his links died, but you can see the pictures in my posts that explain most of it.

You can charge through the regulator if you want.
I always pull my pack and charge out of the helicopter.

I like to charge at 1C on my Lion's and feel better about doing it out of the bird.

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11-30-2005 11:07 PM  12 years agoPost 15
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I saw no point in adding anything else when I decided to use the Arizona Regulator in the way of a switch. I simply took a lead off an old switch (with an orange plastic part on it), cut off the male end (the one with the pins), removed the signal (white) wire and twisted the red and black together and put a pice of heat shrink over the wire.

These two photos show it:

http://www.scaleaerobatics.org/raptor/1.JPG
http://www.scaleaerobatics.org/raptor/2.JPG

The plug is the orange deal with the red heatshrink on it. It hang out the back of the canopy. I pull the orange plug off and the unit is powered up. Replace it to turn it off. I carry 2 spares in my tool box in case I lose it at the field. Easy, no hassle, no added parts. I check battery voltage through the lead labeled "CHK". I also charge that way.

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11-30-2005 11:24 PM  12 years agoPost 16
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The lifetime of futaba servos is limited when running at 6V so I tend to run all my futaba parts at 5.3V through a duralite regulator. Other servos like KOs run at 7.2v

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12-01-2005 12:00 AM  12 years agoPost 17
fitenfyr

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The cap I put on mine was strictly to avoid tearing up my switch.
At the time I was still beta testing the Arizona and didn't want to ruin a switch if things went south.

The better way is to do what you did and solder the switch.

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12-01-2005 12:16 AM  12 years agoPost 18
Heligeek mille

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My Friend has been running his gv1 and 9254 on 6v for about 6 mnts now and had no issues whatsoever

hope this helps

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12-01-2005 12:25 AM  12 years agoPost 19
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Ok, I think I have it...

Take the stock switch and solder across the two pins so that when it's in the on position it simply closes the circuit. Then in the off position it's "open". Then you have a test charge lead, correct? This sounds great. Does the test / charge lead come with it, or is it just straight to the batts? 9350’s or 9351’s on the swash, or maybe 9451's sound OK?
I love not having to reinvent the wheel!
Thanks Guys

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12-01-2005 11:02 PM  12 years agoPost 20
JKos

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> so that when it's in the on position it simply closes the circuit. Then in
> the off position it's "open".

You have it backwards. In the "On" position, the switch should be an open circuit. In the "Off" position, the switch should be a closed circuit.

> Does the test / charge lead come with it

Yes, it comes out from the regulator and comes on every Arizona standard. It is essentially wired straight to the battery.

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