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11-28-2005 11:31 PM  12 years agoPost 1
monts

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Has anyone had the thin metal ring (dust cover?) fall out of the bottom of the swash?

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11-29-2005 04:07 AM  12 years agoPost 2
monts

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Maybe a picture will help.
Have you ever seen this before?
Should I ca it back on?

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11-29-2005 06:04 AM  12 years agoPost 3
Raptorize

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Look like a extra ring for bearing. I would toss it out and not worry about it as long ball bearing arent show. Also ring could be extra from "mistake" from the factory.

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11-29-2005 10:01 AM  12 years agoPost 4
cdyckes

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That's the metal shield that keeps muck out of the bearing and lubrication in! And, NO, you can't glue it back on.

You'll probably get away with flying it without the shield, for a while at least, but that should be a warranty job (assuming you've haven't already followed the advice given in other threads and used sockets and a hammer to dismantle the swash to re-glue it, as that can stress the bearing enough to pop the shield!).

Colin

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11-29-2005 02:27 PM  12 years agoPost 5
monts

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The swash is still factory,.
What originally kept the ring on if not glue?

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11-29-2005 02:31 PM  12 years agoPost 6
cdyckes

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They're usually a spring fit into a tiny groove machined into the outer ring of the bearing.

Send it back for a replacement.

Colin

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11-29-2005 05:20 PM  12 years agoPost 7
WRXRonald

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...

"That's the metal shield that keeps muck out of the bearing and lubrication in! And, NO, you can't glue it back on."

how do you know this?

if you look at the picture of the bottom of the swash, you don't see an balls or any 'open' or exposed bearings internals? so how exactly does that ring (or what part of the bearing exactly) protect from muck?

i really have no clue about this, hard to tell from the pic 'where' exactly it belongs on the bottom, but i just don't quite see what it was covering up?

Good Day: crashed thx to dumb thumbs. Bad Day: crashed mechanical malfunction. Every Day: CRASH :)

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11-29-2005 05:43 PM  12 years agoPost 8
monts

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Raptorize maybe correct, it could be an extra ring.

If I place the ring on the bottom of the swash, it fits perfectly, covering the second ring from the outside and just up to and equal to the thrid ring. Suction holds it in place until you jar it.

Maybe it is an extra one from the factory?

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11-29-2005 05:47 PM  12 years agoPost 9
Gary Jenkins

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Raptorize iscorrect, it is an extra ring.

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11-29-2005 05:48 PM  12 years agoPost 10
cdyckes

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Ron

"how do you know this?" - Years of experience and damaged bearings

Seriously, lots of places on the web that will tell you more than you ever wanted to know about bearings. One to look at is

http://www.bocabearings.com/main1.aspx?p=docs&id=24

and point 6 'Closures' tells you the different seal types. I'm guessing this one was a Z - single shield.

Can't remember the part number of the bearing I got from them for my home CNC'd Hornet swash, but seem to remember that was a 'Z' as well.

Colin

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11-29-2005 07:28 PM  12 years agoPost 11
Ozydego

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I have opened several bearings in the past, and yes that does look like a dust cover... and it does look like an extra one, because in the pic, I see the second still in place. They are held in place by a second very thin ring that snaps up inside the lip of the inside edge of the outer bearing ring. Monts, look very closely around that lip and look for a place where it looks like a small gap in one ring. That will be the opening of the retainer ring, and that should definitely be there... If its not, then, that second dust cover could come off as well.... if its there, just discard that "extra" piece they left on there.... When I get home tonight, I will upload a picture of what the retainer ring gap looks like in comparison to the swash and I will pull the dust cover off an old one to show what the inside of the bearing looks like and the retainer ring, for everyone to see....

BTW, I know about this subject, from many many cleanings of my rollerblade ceramic bearings..... just in case somebody wants to know how I know

But Honey, I can't live with just stock.....

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11-29-2005 11:26 PM  12 years agoPost 12
monts

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Thanks Oz!

It will be interesting to see your pictures!

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11-30-2005 06:43 PM  12 years agoPost 13
WRXRonald

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....

ok thanks

just wondered cuz i didn't see a gaping 'gap' in the pic anywhere....

precision little things, eh?

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12-01-2005 02:37 AM  12 years agoPost 14
Ozydego

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So I looked at my swashes tonight, and my old ones have a different retainer ring than my new one, so I just decided to take the new one apart....

This first pic shows the gap I was talking about, one side is slanted in, the other out, and a pin under the one side, pops it right out.

This second pic shows the swash with the retainer ring off and laid on top of the swash

The last pic shows the dust cover off, and you can see the actual bearings right underneath. Monts, this is why I know yours is a second dust cover... you would see bearings otherwise. Now, you should make sure you do have the retainer ring in place, or that dust cover WILL come off, and could bind things up...

BTW, the pics I used were actually in backwards order, because I took the pics while reassembling the swash. If you ever feel like relubing it, it really isn't hard to do at all, but with the sealed bearing, I don't see the need to ever arise....

But Honey, I can't live with just stock.....

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12-01-2005 03:38 AM  12 years agoPost 15
monts

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Thanks Ozydego!

Nice job, it must have been a second dust cover, as you said.
From what I can tell, It looks like I have the retaining ring.
I won't know for sure as it is too hard to see the ends of the ring (circled in your picture), until I take the head off again.

Thanks again for the pictures and explanation.

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