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11-28-2005 06:14 AM  12 years agoPost 1
bparro

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Okay, I realize that most people fly alittle ahead of their current skill level on the sim but I feel like Iam way behind in my real life skills. I can hover in all orientations, inverted nose-in hover(about 2 feet above ground)roll,loop,flips,tumbles,tictocs,rolling tailslides,stall turns, and have pulled off 5 backwards inverted huricanes so far. On the sim Iam piro flipping,caos take offs, piro-tictocs,piroloops,rolling circles forward and backward,funnels, backward and forward hurricanes, piro-snakes...just learned that one last week. I feel Iam holding myself back because of fear of crashing. Is this rational fear? Can I really do these manuvers for real? Maybe when flying weather returns in the spring I should just stop using the sim until I catch up. I am getting a t-rex to fly indoors. Iam hoping the lower crash cost will help me get over the fear of crashing. How do your sim/life skills match up? Thanks

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11-28-2005 07:16 AM  12 years agoPost 2
heligoole

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both are very different,i fly a lot more carefully for real,but try to fly carefully on sim but end up trying new things so i'm still ahead on the sim.It really helps to be ahead on the sim so when i try out for real,i'm as ready as i can be!

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11-28-2005 07:25 AM  12 years agoPost 3
andres.c

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like said heligoole

it helps to be ahead ,

for myself it keeps the reflex sharp and sometimes will help you get out trouble


just keep burnning or recharging and flying nothing like th real thing

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11-28-2005 09:07 AM  12 years agoPost 4
rcheliheaddaz

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I too am ahead of myself on the simulator. I beleive that this is a good thing though. I know that so far I have only tried things out for the first time when I am completely convinced that I can handle the move.
The sim gives you this confidence. Experience tells you when your ready to try it out and give them a go. As a added measure of confidence for me, When I am confident enough to try the move for the first time I give myself the extra altitude as an insurance blanket.

If your confident in your thumbs and your ability you'll know wheather you are ready or not. But I like the fact that you can practice on the sim and get yourself dialed in before you go for it. imagine trying to do things without the sim expeience!!! (Then I'd be scared stiff to try most of what I can do today) I know the cost of learning would have been huge compared to what I have had to date. Its good to be ahead, Gives you that advantage of learning the meathod. Dont be frustrated by that.

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11-28-2005 09:20 AM  12 years agoPost 5
Ingthor

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i think the best thing about the sim is that you can learn the escape route, and the exit move.... like with deathspiral, once i thought i should try to exit inverted without trying on the sim first and there was no way, i had done it so many times on the sim that it always exited upright, but now i have practiced on the sim and can do it in real life, without looking... i got it in the thumbs, so do stay ahead on the sim, i think its the key to progress

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11-28-2005 03:50 PM  12 years agoPost 6
Crush

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If I crashed as much in real life as I do on the sim I would have been out of this hobby long ago and living in a cardboard box. Its easy to have coconuts between your legs when your heli automatically rebuilds itself at no cost

"Learning from mistakes gets expensive"

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11-28-2005 05:09 PM  12 years agoPost 7
PaulJC

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If I crashed as much in real life as I do on the sim I would have been out of this hobby long ago and living in a cardboard box. Its easy to have coconuts between your legs when your heli automatically rebuilds itself at no cost
Totally true, start building up a set of spares that are them main things broken in a crash, if you have these parts on standby the cost of a crash seems far less

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11-28-2005 05:16 PM  12 years agoPost 8
Coloradoheli3d

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As soon as I started treating my sim like the real thing, my real flight started to catch up with sim flight, but always partice on the sim for a bit befor trying something new. But my sim heli flies close to my real one, so when I started flying the sim like its real, then I started flying for real like in the sim.

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11-28-2005 06:08 PM  12 years agoPost 9
SolarXtreme

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Arroyo Grande, CA

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Two words... FLY HIGH

I can do any manuever I can perform in the sim if I am up high enough then I work my way down.

The only thing I notice between the sim and real life is if your ship is not setup well (tail blow-outs, rich engine etc...). I am still fine tuning the Dominion on G3 to fly like my EVO90. If you fly the stock models there is no limit to what you can do on the sim as the engine is always running perfect etc.
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11-28-2005 06:14 PM  12 years agoPost 10
spaceman spiff

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wise words Colrado,

I'm always at least 6 months behind, but rarely crash because if it. i make progress then get stagnant, then push myself a bit.. helps to stay focused on specific tasks. Right now i'm getting comfortable flying backwards and working on getting comfortable inverted and backwards. When i am making progress it is because i am pushing the level of comfort just a bit each flight.

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11-28-2005 06:33 PM  12 years agoPost 11
HiroboEric

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I think you can get good on one or the other not both. Because it is virtual you don't have to earn the abilty through set up and adjustment they way we use to in the old days when concepts ran wild and scared as helicopters and ideas. Practice hard and safe. The good pilot practices with his friends all day. The great pilot keeps practicing after all his friends have went home. There is really no way to compute a comparison between RAM and Gallons. Besides I have never heard an exciting story that began with "I was in front of my computer flying the best flight of my life when...."

You can't ride the lightning when your afraid of a few sparks!

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11-28-2005 06:34 PM  12 years agoPost 12
Jeff Greunke

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No guts, No glory There's nothing to loose in the sim. Anything you do in the sim should be able to transfer over to the real thing. but ask yourself this. How much flight time do you have in the sim versus the real thing. You have your sim Heli which you spend hours a day on and then you have the real thing with a lot less flight time I think that's a big part of why most of us are ahead in the sim compared to the real thing

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11-28-2005 06:52 PM  12 years agoPost 13
w.pasman

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If you have tweaked the sim to the real machine there is no doubt tthat the real machine can do it to.

But how many seriously tweak the sim? With power galore on the sim a figure may seem easy, while in real you can't do them. I had this with tictocs, I had the sim on 1.3Hp and still my real machine (OS50 claiming 1.8Hp) would bog earlier than the sim. Took very serious tweaking to get a reasonable tictoc behaviour on the sim.

Furthermore, what do you mean by "can do figure X". If you mean 100 feet high on the sim by stick banging, or mean 3 feet heigh with 10% crash chance, I would suggest to do more sim training.

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11-28-2005 07:51 PM  12 years agoPost 14
bparro

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11-28-2005 07:55 PM  12 years agoPost 15
bparro

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Pasman, Yes this is what I mean. Iam very well trained on the sim. I usually do those moves as close to the ground as possible(on G2 with stock foiler 3d heli) I know Iam ready to do these manuvers but I get so nervous that I cant do them without losing my concentration. I even practice doing them with a stock caliber 30 in the sim to make sure my collective management is up to par. Iam collecting crash parts over the winter and I plan on letting it all loose in the spring.

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11-28-2005 08:34 PM  12 years agoPost 16
Tday

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You've hashed this out a bit, but my experience may be a bit of help.

I never get more than a bit ahead of my field skills on the sim.

If you can't do it in the field, you really haven't learned it on the sim either. The sim can be a bit more forgiving whether it's noise, nerves, or proximity, or getting oriented to the model is more difficult or whatever, so "doing" it on the sim isn't real mastery. In the field, as you get more familiar with what you've learned on the sim, you'll see some things happening that serve as sim focus for awhile. Model moving around too much when you're doing a move, doing a proper bail out move when things get rocky instead of letting it crash...etc. I make up ways to practice those specific things. Piro flipping might move around too much and you can't keep the model stable...well, on the sim I practice re-orienting a pirouetting model and holding it steady right after the flip...whatever tricks you use to do that, but be specific and focused. To me, it's also important that the canopy color scheme be the same so that the field is even more like your sim.

Anyway, enough of that...you get the idea, though everyone is a bit different.

Tom

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11-28-2005 08:37 PM  12 years agoPost 17
Jeff Greunke

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I have the add-on with the Raptors for G2 and yes they are tweaked out quite a bit. I have setup a Raptor 90 with Alan's paint job and the best part is it flys like his 90 too The question is how do you get the real Heli to perform like the sim one?? Answer is, you have to get the right equipment on the real Heli to make it capeable of doing 3D. Buying the cheapest servos and using wood blades isn't going to do it for you. Plus the Heli needs to be setup correctly.. Growing some rocks doesn't hurt ethier

Raptor 30, Raptor 50, Raptor 50#2, E620

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11-28-2005 08:53 PM  12 years agoPost 18
Hoverdown3K

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Rochester, New York

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Sims are a training tool, there is nothing like a real heli, and on the sims we can all 3D and join the masters, but in real life it isn't that easy.

I think if you use the sim to train you are fine, if you think you can fly like you can in the SIM it will cost $$$ ya!

-= I know there is Money in RC helicopters. I put it there=-

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11-28-2005 09:02 PM  12 years agoPost 19
Nasscar][

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Delaware

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I normally stick to a tight training schedule on the Sim, after that I take a time-out and just wing it. . . . I become JK, KY and Alan S all in one flight.

G3 for long term training, Reflex for pre-real flight with model.

yeah baby, yeah. . . .. . .


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11-29-2005 12:41 AM  12 years agoPost 20
joeskeeter

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South Georgia

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XTR has helped me alot.
But I am trying to learn the basics , and not concerned about
all the 3d stuff anyhow.
Have done the inverteds and hover nose-in even
landings and take offs nose-in on the sim.
I'm doing slow rotations now, a little shaky but fun!
Sim is ahead of the flying.
A lot of the guys crashing at the field don't like the sims, so,
I guess they enjoy rebuilding more than flying.

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