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11-29-2005 04:06 AM  12 years agoPost 21
Foxden

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Jeff

I finally broke down and ordered a TRex SE, figured if I was going to go electric might as well go all the way.

I'm also quite fond of the bling and the Rex SE has all the blue bling I need.

Clyde

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11-29-2005 04:10 AM  12 years agoPost 22
ManuelCJr1

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Any washout base that will fit the Tiger?

I did the blade flip on my tiger so i had to mill down the washout and it kinda weekend it's integrity.

And will the washout fit with the fliped blade mod?

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11-29-2005 12:41 PM  12 years agoPost 23
darkfa8

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so far, of the people i do know who have retrifitted aftermarket parts, i haven't seen anyone with a aftermarket washout base.

i milled 1/8" off of my washout and it seems just fine. John is working on a replacement.

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11-29-2005 01:00 PM  12 years agoPost 24
hootowl

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so far, of the people i do know who have retrifitted aftermarket parts, i haven't seen anyone with a aftermarket washout base.
Dan, I'm sure you can get away with the swash, washout as delivered as I have found it really flys pretty well with those parts installed and with the flipped and cut down washout, which by the way aggrivates the loose fit.

But if you are meticulous and you read the stuff about setting up and checking helis, such as Rays Authoritive, you begin to become anal about things.

Take a close look at your swash. Look at the play in it. Mine has a lot. That's not what a brnad new swash is supposed to do. I chalk it up to low cost parts that may be loose, but they do work.

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11-29-2005 01:57 PM  12 years agoPost 25
Foxden

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Hootowl

I spoke to John last night and the washout should be ready soon. I've been playing around with different parts on my experimental Tiger and because of purchasing some Quick UK parts for my sons Raptor 60 I decided to try the Robbe Ornight swashplate that Quick makes and the tollorance is very tight on the main shaft, a little triflow and it is smooth as silk with vertually no play but, it's a $75 part plus shipping from the UK, I lucked out and Ramesh here on RR was selling his used so I jumped on it and the tollerance even on this used part was dead on.

Quick UK produces some of the best quality upgrade parts on the market, I'm also into the bling thing and unfortunetly my son is following in my footsteps, I took his Raptor up for a spin and performed a beautiful figure 9, can you say upgrade oportunity, well he didn't let me forget I had the sticks when it went hunting for goofers and I felt bad so I replaced all the broken head pieces with Quick UK parts and this bird has carbon extremes light blue frame kit, back in the air and flying great but I won't get to verify that anytime soon

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11-29-2005 03:46 PM  12 years agoPost 26
hootowl

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Foxden,

You mention main shaft fit but what I am seeing with the stock swash is a bunch of play in the unit itself. The upper half that rotates with the head looks to have excessive play in it with respect to the lower portion that links to the servos.

You can see it by turning on your system, with your blades restrained in the boom carrier, wiggle the flybar paddles as if you were trying to change their pitch. It's a tell-all.

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11-29-2005 04:41 PM  12 years agoPost 27
scottc

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I've been looking at the Quick UK raptor tail unit and i think that it would fit the tiger by just putting on the ball caps from the tigers tail unit, I thinnk the revolution tail unit would work to and the revolution 120 degree swash would fit as well.

Hey I didn't ask for this fetish.!!!But I'am sure paying for it....

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11-29-2005 05:15 PM  12 years agoPost 28
Foxden

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Scott

If your looking for a direct replacement just pop on the hub tighten it down and snap on the existing Tiger links, Century makes a Raven tail upgrade kit part number CN2235 that comes with tripple ball bearings, thrust bearings, and a one piece blade grip.

I would only use this if you want to go with larger tail blades, we're running 92 and 95mm rotortechs which have a large cord width and I've had them stress the 2 piece and bearings. If your running the stock tail blades the stock setup works great, my friend Tim has gallons through his Tiger with the stock tail and its performing great. I'm just pushing my experimental bird to the limits to see what holds up.

Hootowl,

My Quick UK Robbe Ornith swash has NO PLAY whatsoever, I'm putting my sons stock Tiger back together this week and will verfiy swash play with all stock parts once it's back together.

Clyde

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11-29-2005 05:48 PM  12 years agoPost 29
darkfa8

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Mike,

I have read Ray's book several times through and if you're keen about absolute perfection, then his book is the authoratative source for everything you can do to make a heli operate damn near flawlessly.

However, with my Century Hawk Sport $150 heli, I balanced the wood main blades, stuck in my radio gear, did my pitch/throttle/gyro setup and the thing flew vibration free, hands off hovering for several seconds at a time before any major cyclic correction was needed.... that's what a $150 heli offers out of the box today.

When Ray originally wrote his book the Raptor had just recently debuted, people were apparently still making there own main blades and the end user went through everything with a fine tooth comb.

But, here we are in the 21st century, the vast majority of helis that are obtainable in the USA are manufactured overseas, sans Bergen and M/A. Despite that, the processes, engineering, CAD and simulations, etc have provided higher quality parts that require little to no additional work to get them to operate.

My late grandfather was a industrial engineer, taught engineering at NJIT and he had quite a collection of slide rules. Today they're ancient pieces of operable art. Very precise and come in nice leather cases. However, pull out your calculator and it calculates the same results with less work, the electronics (instead of your brain) are now enclosed in plastic with plastic wobbly keys and yet it's easier to use, is just as accurate if not moreso despite it not having that same level of precise feel of a slide rule.

As you've discovered through actual flight experience, that despite the individual parts and/or sub-assemblies having a questionable amount of play when in operation they allow for proper, predictable operation.

I haven't, but if you have or get chance to fly a Freya, M/A, Bergen, Robbe, maybe even the Synergy you'll likely see all those tolerances tighten up, offer silky-smooth operation but all at a premiem cost.

I'd feel better about dialing in the entire clutch/start shaft assembly, balancing the entire head, balancing the tail output assembly, obtaining the proper gear mesh, weighing the blades/paddles, etc, but most of it isn't needed to obtain successfull flight characteristics from these kinds of helis.

In fact, all that "extra" work, despite pacifying my urge for making a silk purse out of a sow's ear, is likely a waste of time. I should be flying instead.

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11-29-2005 06:02 PM  12 years agoPost 30
Foxden

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Dan

Agree,

Get out while the weather is still nice and BURN some fuel.

When the blades are spun up the little bit of slop isn't noticable, you give it a command to fly forward and guess what it does. no lag it just does what you tell it, I personally can't notice a difference between my Tiger and my Son's box stock except mine with faster servo's flips and rolls a bit quicker than his.

Clyde

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11-29-2005 06:14 PM  12 years agoPost 31
darkfa8

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Clyde, I would be out burning fuel, but 1. I gotta find a job so I can afford a potential crash.. and other stuff like bills of course :P 2. wind is at 22mph out of the SSE and gusting to 33mph today lol

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11-29-2005 07:11 PM  12 years agoPost 32
Learn to Fly

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Sure is windy today!!!! I would be out testing my work I did. Im sure all is well.

How about the Audacity aluminum tail case...looks nice, not to blingy since its black, but it sure does look functional. Is it a direct replica of the stock tail? This is an upgrade thread right?

Have a nice day...Im on a hunt for a job too...


Jeff
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11-29-2005 07:17 PM  12 years agoPost 33
scottc

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Foxden i did like the part you had shown me here but myself iam looking at shiny parts they look cool. scott

Hey I didn't ask for this fetish.!!!But I'am sure paying for it....

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12-09-2005 10:43 AM  12 years agoPost 34
hootowl

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Dan I totally agree with your assesment on dialing in the newer helicopters. It isn't as critical.

With that said, you still have physics to contend with which hasn't changed with new technology. I think the lighter plastic parts help minimize out of balance and vibration issues.

Slop in the head and a flimsy spindle with loose fit in the dampers increases the chance of a boom strike. This heli is being sold as a beginners-to-advanced capable machine. Beginners.... believe me when I tell you, tend to land a little harder. Hard landings = potential boom strike. Happened to me.

There is a huge difference between the 5mm neg delta spindle/grip head and the new pos delta 6mm head with new dampers. The spindle is larger and unlike the 5mm setup, it fits snugly in the dampers.

By the time yo get out to the end of the woody blades there can be a significant difference in blade flap between a loose setup and a properly fitted, beefier setup.

The 6mm upgrade is awesome.

I also have the washout base coming. The way I see it, loose parts flying around at 1800 rpm will not last as long as properly fitted components.

Again.... this is a $299 helicopter. It does it well for this price.
Upgrades are very easy to do. This machine is very easy to work on. Parts availability is batting 1000 for me. Audacity support and Ricks ALWAYS gets my stuff out and are always there.

Got a couple of Ergo 60 airframes I picked up used. Between the two I will have another heli to fly and a spare swash and other parts that will/may fit the Tiger.

It's Snowing!

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12-09-2005 12:24 PM  12 years agoPost 35
TUFF MUFFLER

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Still flying in VT and with a stock Tiger 50 if its not broke who needs to spend extra money.This kit is one of the best right out of the box,i can do anything i want with mine and the only time things get bent is when i hit the ground from pilot error.something to do with the laws of nature.one of the best things i like about the Tiger is the cost factor less the 300 dollars. everybody should have at least 2 of these one for flying every day and one for nite flying Tom

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12-09-2005 06:59 PM  12 years agoPost 36
jvanscoyk

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Come on down to Arizona!

We should organize a Tiger Winter Fly-in!

Jim

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12-09-2005 07:20 PM  12 years agoPost 37
Foxden

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Yeah,

Let's all camp out at John's

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12-09-2005 07:37 PM  12 years agoPost 38
ProModeler

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I suppose we could do this . . . but it would have to be an absolutely LOW KEY kind of thing, i.e. just for fun and just a few guys so it doesn't become too much work for me because otherwise, I wouldn't have the time to do it..


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12-09-2005 07:52 PM  12 years agoPost 39
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Foxden,
I can get a hold of the northeastern crew, that should give us about 25-30, we can all car pool down.
And John, when we are there we can have an old fashioned barn raising and get that roof on.

Just remember -- if the world didn't suck, we would fall off.

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12-09-2005 08:36 PM  12 years agoPost 40
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Barn raising? Hmmm, that's a mighty big "if", but if it happened, all I could say is yee haw!

Anyway, folks, by then we'll have some pretty interesting things to show you (ahead of the rest of the world learning about them), so you might find it a very fun time to be had by all. Let me know if this is really gonna go down so I can schedule a band for a night, etc. because the weather should be nice (mid-60s to low-70s) which is kind of why ol' Walt put Disney World here and why we put up with hurricanes the rest of the year


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