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11-28-2005 03:33 PM  12 years agoPost 21
MARKGYVER

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Littleton, Colorado

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How loose are you blades in the grips you dont want them so lose that they swing on there own that was my first mistake

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11-28-2005 08:02 PM  12 years agoPost 22
ilewis33

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Norcross, GA

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I know how you feel. I had my Blade for a week, during which time it consumed about $150 in parts. I felt the same frustration you did at the weak tail, which seemed to compound my problems. I actually got to the point where I could hold a hover until the f'ing tail rotor would start spazzing out -> tip -> crash -> new blades.

But - the funny part is - it's not just newbies! Everyone dumps huge amounts of money into this hobby - go look at the Crashes board, or even just one of the boards for TRex or even the nitros - you WILL eventually crash. Even if you don't, rotary flight is so stressful on everything involved that it just wears out, and you replace motors, gears, arms, batteries etc.

And what do you have for your money? A fun experience, I guess, when it's not frustrating (and it is fun when it's going well). But you haven't created anything, you haven't made the world a better place, you haven't even learned much.

One week to the day after opening the box, I just pegged the throttle until it was 60-70 feet up, then pitched the cyclic forward and nosedived it into the pavement. Then I hand-destroyed anything still recognizable. It was very satisfying, and I estimate it's saving me at least $100 a week. (sorry, I should have offered it to a good home, but I literally "saw red"....)

If I ever do it again, I will be using a real sim (I didn't find FMS to be a realistic depiction at all), and buying a real copter (TRex or similar). The flakiness of the stock Blade is too much to cope with as you're learning.

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11-28-2005 10:03 PM  12 years agoPost 23
bbeverlie

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Hudson,New Hampshire.USA

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This post was one of the best yet, still laughing.. Anyway you got alot
of good stuff here most all are spot on. I did the Radd's flight school
and learned to fly much better, I also bought a sim on e-bay for $60
e-sky with FMA software and it's great. But the "packing tape" on the
blade end's will work and save you allot of money, next to the collective
fix this is a must do for all people learning and using wood blades.

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11-28-2005 10:19 PM  12 years agoPost 24
stealth916

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Rocklin, CA

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Don't try nose-in hovering until you have mastered side in hovering.... and don't try side-in until you have mastered tail-in.

And also, be sure you do a lot of side-in hovering frm BOTH sides. I still brainfade a lot when I approach to land looking at the RIGHT side of the heli - don't ask me why but I hear it's common. So almost all of my approaches to landing are from my right, looking at the LEFT side of the heli. This after 200-300 hours, loops, flips rolls, and feeling very confident - I still am weak there.

Don't skip a lot of side in hovering - it will pay off later.

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11-28-2005 11:10 PM  12 years agoPost 25
solorsix

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FLA

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The blade was my first also, and I will definately agree with a previous post to save yourself now and buy a Trex.

I know I was there with the blade at one time.

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11-28-2005 11:45 PM  12 years agoPost 26
Gary Hoorn

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Annapolis Maryland USA

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ilewis33,
Your post reminds me of a another pilot I saw lose control of himself and throw a fit! His plane suffered damage because of his ineptness and when he recovered it he smashed it to pieces. Perhaps you should seek a less stressful hobby?
Gary

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11-29-2005 04:15 AM  12 years agoPost 27
tnorris

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Hico, Texas

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Yes the T-Rex is one fine heli. I have one myself. I bought the Blade because there for a while I had given up on helicopters. My Raptor and Caliber 30 are both destroyed. The Raptor because of a bad receiver and the Caliber because the tail servo I used was not sufficient. The Blade is not one of the more stable beasts, but it is cheap and cheap to fix. I have had zero problems with mine. I have even flown it in 20mph winds, (not pretty though..LOL).

Anyway, the question is simple. Do you have fun? If not, get something else regardless of what any of us say. Everyone's experience is different, and a very small percentage of Blade owners actually post in these forums.

Good luck with whatever heli you end up having the most fun with.

Travis

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11-29-2005 03:58 PM  12 years agoPost 28
TheLost

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Utah

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It's a Poor Musician That Blames His Instrument

Just a few things to keep in mind:

Small == Twitchy... Micro Heli's are the hardest helicopters to fly. If you want something more stable pick up a Raptor 50 (or similar).

R/C Heli's == $$$.. You've got to pay to play. If something happens in the air (Radio glitch, Dumb Thumb or Mechanical) you learn that helicopters don't glide... They drop like a rock. Its all part of the game.

Flight == Time... It takes some people months to hover, others only a few days. But if you truly want to 'FLY' you need to learn the basics.

Welcome to the world of Micro R/C Heli's... You might want to read this.

~Brian

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11-29-2005 04:11 PM  12 years agoPost 29
ilewis33

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Norcross, GA

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TheLost - That last link (you might want to read this) is great. Perfect intro to everything. Don't get me wrong, I'm not really "blaming" the Blade for my fit. Once you crash the thing a couple of times, it's not ever going to be like it was out of the box - you'll have vibration, waggy tail, etc - until you spend the money to rebuild it (or just buy a complete new heli frame, which is what I should have done). What I failed to do was adequately plan for the expense.

My rule of thumb in the future would be to budget about 2x the cost of the helicopter for repairs, so if you want to get into flying the Blade, you should probably have about 400-500 dollars handy for your first few months. I don't think I'd buy the Blade again, but if I was to go with the Honeybee CP2 as an absolute beginner again, I'd buy the full kit, training gear, a few sets of blades, and another full heli frame as a single package. You'll end up spending the money one way or another.

Anyway, glad my story has amused some and concerned others.

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11-29-2005 04:25 PM  12 years agoPost 30
TheLost

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Utah

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Its all in good fun... I have 3 Helicopters. At any given time one is down for repairs, one is held together with duct tape and hot glue... And the other has just been rebuilt and i am too afraid to fly

You can start with a FP Micro (GWS DragonFly), Blade CP, T-Rex, MX-400 or an .90 sized Nitro. Your still going to crash while learning.

Wait until you start FFF or learning 3D. The crashes get more spectacular and costly. My kids don't watch me fly to see my tricks... They watch me fly to see me crash.

~Brian

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11-29-2005 04:32 PM  12 years agoPost 31
stealth916

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Rocklin, CA

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These two-motor micro helis are the Rubics-cube of helis :-) They're not eveeeeeeel - but they are a challenge no doubt. The good news is, it can and eventually will be fun and relaxing even with these little birds - it just takes time, and hopefully only a few crashes

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11-29-2005 06:26 PM  12 years agoPost 32
turboomni

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East of the Equator

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I own a Raptor 30 ,Shogun, Raptor 50, Trex, and a Blade. I bought them in that order. I learned on the R30.
My first flight with the Blade ,completely stock I was ready to return it. I thought it flew like crap. It flew and din't crash or anything but wondered how any newbie could learn on this thing? The headspeed was way lower than any of my other heli's. It drifted all around,tail authority sucked,overall power was lacking. I almost brought it back after one flight!
I did buy the lipoly upgrade with the blades,heatsinks ,and 9T pinion motor. It did help a good bit and now I am happy enough to keep it for an indoor outdoor weather permitting winter heli.
Head speed is higher especially in stunt mode and I'm having fun with this thing.
I would consider a lipoly blade motor upgrade as I consider the flat bottom blades paint stirrers.
If you newbies can learn to fly the blade well and comfortably then going to a 50 sized nitro will be an absolute breeze.
You will not believe the stability of a bigger ship . My Trex feels like a bigger ship but they are ALOT more money. Go slow ,use training gear,use a SIM Alot,practice any new move on the sim first no matter how basic the move is, and learn to read the heli sooner as then you will have to input less correction.
If you react too late you need more input and all hell can break loose!!
Smooth is the way to go.

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11-29-2005 06:41 PM  12 years agoPost 33
c mark smith

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Mt Vernon, Indiana

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I started flying with a WELL used Blade CP. Went throughsome parts learning when to chop the throttle.

Eventully learned to hover tail in and am pretty good at straightening parts and replacing blade.

I'd definitely recommend the 1320 LiPo battery change, and get three so as to have one always ready.

I have a Hobico dual charger, 50 bucks, a good buy to charge them.

I did also change to the HD Deans plugs.

I now run symetrical blades but still with the training gear installed.

I liked the Blade enough to buy a new one and Horizon was quick to replace the 4 in 1 when it cooked on the second flight.

I tried the DD tail and went back to the geared one.

I have resisted changing to expensive aluminum parts but did try the CF blades and liked them.

My last large investment was a belt Shogun and an 8103.

If you think the Blade is complicated, try setting this bunch of parts up with a Futaba 401 gyro. You will consider the Blade simple by comparison.

I still don't have the tail wag fixed, and it often jumps and carries on like my first attempts with the Blade.

I'll get it right even if I have to get some professional help !

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11-29-2005 08:27 PM  12 years agoPost 34
akshaw

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Plymouth Meeting, PA

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When I first started this hobby I would crash just about every time I tried to hover. I must have gone through a half a dozen pair of blades in the first month. Then I decided to try a simulator but after wrecking so many blades, I didn't want to spend $200 for one. So for about $50, bought a sim cable to connect my TX to my PC and I downloaded the free simulator from the web called FMS (flying model simulator) and and configured FMS for helicopter flying. I can say that after practicing for about two weeks on this simulator, my ability to hover without crashing really improved.


http://n.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/index_e.html
to download FMS.

The transmitter that comes with the Blade CP has a port for connecting radio transmitter-to-pc with a sim cable. I got the USB sim cable from
http://www.milehighwings.com/usb_cables.htm


If you have a sim cable and transmitter, this site will help you set FMS up for helis or airplanes.
http://www.tti-us.com/sim/FMSop.html

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11-29-2005 09:18 PM  12 years agoPost 35
stealth916

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Rocklin, CA

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great info akshaw - this makes getting into the sim a lot cheaper!

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11-29-2005 09:38 PM  12 years agoPost 36
BikeNBoatN

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Santa Ana, CA USA

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If you want to get into a sim REALLY cheap, use FMS and a USB video game controller that has 2 joysticks. I picked one up at Fry's for $20. Then download the free Trex models from trextuning.com as they're slightly more realistic than the default ones in FMS. Now you can "fly" a Trex using a basic sim for $20.

Brent.

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