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HelicopterMiniature Aircraft Whiplash & Fury 55 › fury forward flight?
11-13-2005 06:06 PM  12 years agoPost 1
BJames111

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this may sound like a stupid question, but how does the fury fly in "normal" flight like forward flight, and simple loops and rolls? THe only thing i ever see them doing is hard 3d...just curious

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11-13-2005 10:01 PM  12 years agoPost 2
ThomStilwill

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I find my Fury to be pitchy in forward flight. I have flown Freyas and Raptors and found them to be more stable/neutral.

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11-13-2005 11:55 PM  12 years agoPost 3
rcheliflyer

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It's fine for sport flying as well as 3d a lot depends on your setup and cyclic throws, headspeed etc.
They can be setup docile or aggressive using the stock heli and just
changing settings, no additional parts needed.
The reason you usually see them doing hard 3d is because the Fury is very well suited to the job
The stock paddles are a little pitchy when flying in windy conditions,
V-paddles fly all around smoother for me.
Next time you are out watching a Fury 3d flight ask the pilot to do
some
"normal" flight like forward flight, and simple loops and rolls
I keep my Idle up 1 set at a lower speed 1600 just for this reason for
relaxed flying and it can still 3d quite well , allowing more time for
going through a manuver.

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11-14-2005 01:02 AM  12 years agoPost 4
I3DM

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how does the fury fly in "normal" flight like forward flight
i dont know, thats a new trick for me, im going to have to try it and get back to you.

kidding aside, if setup good it flies like any other machine out there, just fine.

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11-14-2005 01:51 AM  12 years agoPost 5
ThomStilwill

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What does 'Setup Good' mean? I set mine up from the book and from experience, mine and many others, and I still have problems with the pitchiness. The freya will fly full out hands off and not move off track. I was really amazed at the difference.

So, what's this 'Setup Good' that people keep reffering to but can never explain.

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11-14-2005 01:57 AM  12 years agoPost 6
Thomas L Erb

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The fury will do whatever you set it up to do . I have flown MA from the begining. I curently fly 2 fury extremes ( one in mid upgrade to stratus) I am currently a class 3 ama pilot and my furys are the most stable machines i have ever flown in competition. I use heavier paddles then a 3d pilot would but other than that they are stock machines. If you want smoooth you set up for smooth if you want wild and crazy set it up for that. My setup works great for me and does allow me to do many of the mild 3d that is being done out there today. reguardless what machine you fly most all will do it all but it still boiles down to two things setup and PRACTICE. hope this helps. Tom

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11-14-2005 02:26 AM  12 years agoPost 7
ThomStilwill

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Thomas,

Can you tell me exactly what the setup is? I fly SAB 710 @ 1750rpm, V-Paddles (95mm) with no weights and V-Tail blades with a GY601.

+10/-10 Collective
+7/-7 Roll and Pitch

I running the stock Fury Extreme head, 1.3 ratio on the mixer.
I used the MA tool to set the swash and the paddles are dead level.

When I add full collective the heli goes straight up and exhibits no interactions.
I don't know what else would cause the pitchiness in FFF.

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11-14-2005 06:58 PM  12 years agoPost 8
Zilly

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Thought you were 'Done with MA' Thom ?

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11-14-2005 07:01 PM  12 years agoPost 9
ThomStilwill

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I have two fury's I'd like help setting up properly. Have you a suggestion?

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11-14-2005 09:21 PM  12 years agoPost 10
Hawk4flyer

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Well Thom, I'll make the assumption that your flying the 3D head with the mixer in the "0" delta hole.

It is actually a natural state for the heli to want to move the center of mase toward the underside of the center of lift. So what your wanting to do is defy these forces using the flybar. Placing weights on the outer most position on the flybar will help. Your blades could also be a factor. If the blades are Trailing Edge heavy they will tend to change pitch with very little force. Leading Edge heavy blades tend to resist changes in pitch.

I have learned that SAB blades are very rarely leading edge heavy.

One other thing you can do is to use positive delta. You can do a search for that. I posted a diagram of what it is.

But these are all settings for an FAI heli. 3D helis are different. DrBen knows far more than I ever could about FAI setups.

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11-15-2005 03:35 AM  12 years agoPost 11
fitenfyr

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Upgraded flybar control arm
Update the Fury head to the new Flybar control arm like the Stratus head and you will have a lock in solid flying helicopter.

The stock flybar was pitchy in forward flight and it took a bunch of tweaking to get it settled in.
With the new arm it is locked in with the stock paddles and basic setup.

Best 50.00 I ever spent on a helicopter.

Jason Stiffey
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11-15-2005 04:59 AM  12 years agoPost 12
Unbalanced

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Love the irony of recommending a $50 upgrade to Thom - after reading his other post

My opinion (gloriously ignorant of Fury heli's but trying to be constructive ) is that ballooning is caused by either aggressive blades (rearward CG), paddles (sharp leading edge/ low weight) or control slop. Still if the heli is setup to be aggressive in 3D its going to be tough to get it locked in for FFF. If you want stable I'd add weight to the flybar or try other paddles - but you'd probably compromise the cyclic rate.

Jeff

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11-15-2005 02:35 PM  12 years agoPost 13
fitenfyr

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Jeff,
I would usually agree with you, but if you look at the control system on the Fury you will see how the older bent arm kind of flybar control would really allow the flybar to "move" uncommanded enough to cause the ballooning.

I NEVER recommend throwing money at these things to fix a problem, but in this case it is money well spent.

I took a box stock Ion-X with the Extreme head on it.
It would balloon like crazy coming out of FFF. This is my camera ship so it was a real issue for me.
Put the new control arm on and wala ballooning gone.

They really do work.

Jason Stiffey
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11-15-2005 02:45 PM  12 years agoPost 14
GM1

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Pitchy response
Just a suggestion, try flying a Fury without V paddles. The V paddles are high quality and work well for extreme 3D applications but tend to be VERY aggressive in forward flight. I'd suggest some of the Pro II paddles weighing about 35 grams for tamer, more stable high speed flight, but there are several other choices that will work also.
Just a thought.
Gordie

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11-15-2005 11:36 PM  12 years agoPost 15
Thomas L Erb

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Good call Gordie I think the paddles are one of the top ways to get the fury to fly smooth . It all boils down to deciding what you want the machine to do. If sombody comes up with a setup that will do it all I will be first in line to get it but for now i just set up for what i want to do . The Fury will do this quite well. IMO. Tom

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11-16-2005 12:49 AM  12 years agoPost 16
Hawk4flyer

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Very good call Gordie. I completely forgot about the V paddles.

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11-16-2005 12:51 AM  12 years agoPost 17
Pete Niotis

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ThomStilwill, if you are running the flybar that came with the Fury it's probably the 490mm? I would get the longer flybar that MA has available, I believe it's 530mm. You will also want to make sure you have a good CG with half tank of fuel.

Gordie and Thomas also made some good suggestions.

No setup will do both perfectly as Thomas stated but you can make it look like it does with a little compromise. If you are still new to helis you should concentrate on a smooth and stable setup for now and as you progress with your flying skills you can start to experiment with your setup to get a decent balance between smooth and 3D.

bgjames111, to see fury's flying smooth and doing more graceful style 3D, you should look at a vid of Jim Stark, here is a recent one.

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11-16-2005 08:17 PM  12 years agoPost 18
ThomStilwill

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How will the longer flybar affect the roll rate and stability in FFF? Does is lessen the need for weights?

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11-16-2005 09:12 PM  12 years agoPost 19
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11-16-2005 10:58 PM  12 years agoPost 20
jb_turner

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This all depends on setup and the fliers ability.

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