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11-13-2005 02:57 PM  12 years agoPost 1
ThomStilwill

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[flame shields up]

After several years of being one of MA's field engineers (all fury flyers are MA field engineers) I have decided to move over to helis that are easier to setup and cheaper to fix. I am a little tired of having to buy upgrade after upgrade on a heli line that evolves through customer input instead of being properly engineered from the ground up. I think the Stratus is the closest thing to the target, but we'll have to wait for the upgrades. I've run Rapter 30/45/50/60, Hirobo, MA X-cell 98SE, Fury Extreme, and Fury Extreme upgrade. By far the Fury line is the biggest pain to setup and get flying well and the cost can't compare when you factor in the upgrades.

I want a heli that will fly well out of the box using the directions that come with it and not have to know a network of people that know all the 'secrets' to how it should be set up.

I want a heli that doesn't take all my free time to construct and setup.

I want a heli that doesn't require $500 in upgrades to make it fly right.

I don't want to be a machinist.

Next crash will be replaced by a Raptor 90SE,
After that maybe a Synergy, Jason and Tod seem to know how to engineer a product.

Anybody else have this experience with Fury's?

[flame shields down, commence firing]


Closed - Thanks to everyone who gave me good advice and helpful comments & attitude.
Post Mortem: Sold MA, Bought TT.

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11-13-2005 03:10 PM  12 years agoPost 2
funkyflyer

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Does any heli fly perfectly out of the box without any tweaking? If so, let me know, I'll buy one in a heartbeat.
Personally, my Fury Extreme is my favorite heli. I wanted one just about forever, and was finally able to get one two months ago. It really didn't take me much to get her flying right, and I was actually impressed with how well it flew. My Fury is in my mind the showpiece of my collection, and the only thing I don't like about it is the pucker factor.
So, I guess I just won't crash.

Oh, and I have no upgrades.

Wow, the ground was closer than I thought.

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11-13-2005 03:13 PM  12 years agoPost 3
angelob

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I want a heli that doesn't require $500 in upgrades to make it fly right.
What sort of upgrades were added? Just curious...

Angelo

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11-13-2005 03:35 PM  12 years agoPost 4
Tyler

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I came to the same conclusion two years ago. I have not looked back since, and my stick wriggling time has increased dramatically.

Can you say Hirobo????

Tyler

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11-13-2005 06:31 PM  12 years agoPost 5
Agilefalcon

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There isn't a perfect helicopter out there. All of them have their idiosynchrasies and achilies heels. You just have to fly the machine that "suits" you; whether that is cost, simplicity, availability, image or whatever.

For example: CCPM. It probably does give you more collective power and more pop in maneuvers, but, it is a pain to set-up and never really feels trimmed. An experienced pilot can get it close. Now, that may be fine for an expert but a lot of people don't want to spend that time setting up their radio. Perhaps they aren't that comfortable flying at extremes and will never be able to tune and mix their model without competent advice.

In this case, a standard mix heli would be the ticket knowing that you have sacrifices elsewhere.

All of the current crop of helicopters are improvements on what has gone before. There is no doubt that the best is yet to come. In the meantime, chose what fits your style and wallet, then just have fun.

Not to plug MRC Hirobo...we do have some of the simplest, most reliable, forgiving helicopters around! Couple that with absolutely first class service from MRC and you may end up switching to the right side!

Chris.

Chris Berardi
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11-13-2005 06:49 PM  12 years agoPost 6
da_man

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I really don't like how MA runs things and I also feel a raptor is 10 times easier to build than a fury. Their prices are bit on the high as well. There are probablt a few other factors why I don't like MA, but can't think of them right now.

Even with that said I have 4 fury's right now and a bunch of xcell spare parts. I guess that is mainly because xcells are cheaper for me, I can't say why. I also like how they fly which matters most to me. If you don't like xcells or the other crap assosiated with them and feel free to fly what you like.

The hobby is about fun and you should fly what you would have the most fun with.

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11-13-2005 07:43 PM  12 years agoPost 7
P.J.

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I want a heli that doesn't require $500 in upgrades to make it fly right
The reason i buy Xcell is because there is no need to buy upgrades for any kit.
I see guys buying Raptors then spending a £££ on quick uk upgrades. They end up spending as much if not more then the price of an Xcell kit.

I don't get what you mean.

Duncan won the 3D Masters the year with a stock Extreme......................

P.J.

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11-13-2005 08:43 PM  12 years agoPost 8
Tyler

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MA doesn't require upgrades?!?! Baahahahaaa!!

Tyler

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11-13-2005 09:24 PM  12 years agoPost 9
angelob

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Stoughton WI

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MA doesn't require upgrades?!?! Baahahahaaa!!
Ok guys - what are the necessary upgrades? Everyone is talking about upgrades but no one is coming forward with info.

In my opinion, I believe that the Fury line requires the least amount of upgrades (none) to perform at the level they are designed to perform at.

...flame suit ON...

Angelo

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11-13-2005 09:58 PM  12 years agoPost 10
ThomStilwill

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Upgrades so far for an original generation extreme:

All recommended and not on the original

Single piece CNC tail gear housing - $46
Associated parts for above- ~ $50
T/R bellcrank support - $15
HD clutch and bell housing - $105
HD links - $15
CNC Bell mixer so that HD links don't rub - $32
CNC MAINSHAFT/TAILROTOR BRG.BLK W/BRG - $49
Long Main shaft - $19
15 Tooth tail drive gear - $20
Lower bearing block - $16


Hours building and setting up - still counting

Times some Fury expert at the field says "it's your setup" but can't really tell me exactly what it is - still counting.

Money spent after last crash - 1 Raptor 90SE

I'm starting to understand what the 'Fury' name means.

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11-13-2005 10:14 PM  12 years agoPost 11
wisebob

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the fury extreme/stratus is probably the top dog right now for 3-d capable machines.

expect to pay the price for one of the best.

you'll smile every time you fly it hard 3-d and put the other machines to shame and don't crash.

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11-13-2005 10:25 PM  12 years agoPost 12
spritefiend

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wow, Hirobo guys and TT guys agreeing on something, im shocked.

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11-13-2005 11:31 PM  12 years agoPost 13
rappyfly

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Hi

I have only one complain: Failures on non maintainable parts.
In 2004:
1 Flybar breaking twice-informed MA with reply never hear that b4. OK fine! and Eric L asked pics for analysis.

In 2005:
1 New plastic tail rotor gear breaking-got gear replace in house by MA.
2 Flybar breaking-dont even bother to say anything, felt like routine stuff.
3 Spindle breaking- MA helped on rebuilding with "never seen it & it will not change" replied.
4 link pop out on new grey links: routine repair.
5 link pop out on new grey links: routine repair.

I fly raptor 90 now.

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11-13-2005 11:35 PM  12 years agoPost 14
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11-13-2005 11:46 PM  12 years agoPost 15
cdrking

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Mike,

I really enjoyed your MHT interview. I've always wondered if you were on this site. Excellent ideas in your article/interview.

BTW, what size PEM nuts are required in the vertical channels on the Fury.

Thanks,

Jeff

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11-13-2005 11:55 PM  12 years agoPost 16
RC Rotortek

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That tells a tale Mike!!

I have a stock Extreme, without the HD Clutch. Only upgrade I put on was the one piece transmission block. You don't need anything else!

Stratus needs nothing!!

Your Raptor SE parts prices are gonna work out a bit more than you think. Those Head parts are just outrageous. Any the tailboom and Frames for the SE won't be much less than the Fury ones.

I had A Raptor 90 SE, and it was like flying a tractor, they weigh a ton!!!. You'll be throwing money at that too for upgrades like flybar carriers, Push Pull Elevator Bell Cranks, Glass Canopies...... etc. It is a false economy!!!

My Raptors are long gone, and I won't be going back, just rather have a kit out of the box with all thats required and that flies as well as the Fury/Stratus. I have flown a few models in the last 4 years including the Raptor range. There is no comparison with MA.

Work sucks!!

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11-14-2005 01:00 AM  12 years agoPost 17
I3DM

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I have been through them all big times, old MA, TT, Robbe, Hirobo and now back to MA.

This quote says it ALL !! its very much true.
you'll smile every time you fly it hard 3-d and put the other machines to shame and don't crash.
For hard 3D, you cant beat MA, period. and there isnt any hassle if you set them up right. and thats from expirience with every possible machine out there through the years, and after owning about 30 different helis and flying hundreds.

www.liorzahavi.com

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11-14-2005 01:02 AM  12 years agoPost 18
classic

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After that maybe a Synergy, Jason and Tod seem to know how to engineer a product.
Please explain??
Just because they can fly well doesn't mean they know crap about building/designing anything. Have you really looked at their bird at all? I saw it up close at ircha,
It really looks like a very cheap copy of the fury.

Just what exacly did "they" engineer on it? Making minor changes doesn't mean anything, and frankly, if your going to copy something, at least TRY and make it look a little diferant.
Neither of them are engineers, however, they do know how to copy what they like from diferant models.

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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11-14-2005 01:11 AM  12 years agoPost 19
Spencer K

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someone doesnt know what their talking about....

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11-14-2005 01:29 AM  12 years agoPost 20
Jeff H

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Welcome ThomStilwill to RR, a place where anyone and everyone is a keyboard expert.


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