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11-12-2005 12:26 AM  12 years agoPost 1
chixwithtrix

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OK, I can't decide Predator or Spectra-G

I can clearly see they both are great heli's from the many threads about this topic, but I want to know which one is right for ME.

I have not been flying for very long in helis but have been flying airplanes for ~ 5 years. I am looking to get some gas heli after the beg. of the new year.

Outline to help me choose what one is best
3D Want to do pretty good 3D...I know a gasser isn't going to be blazing the saddles like a 90 nitro, but I want something peppy
Video Want to have the ABILITY to do aerial video/photo nicely when I get the $ for the rig or make something that works
Reliable as a gas heli can get...meaning I am fairly new to Helis, but do not have too much trouble figguring mechanics out. I have heard that the Spectra is a tinker-happy heli especially in the beginning. I don't like the sound of that. Now, I know with any heli/plane there are bugs to work out...it just seems as the Spectra has quite a bit of them. The Predator seems to be pretty reliable in that sense.
Money I have heard that the Spectra is more espensive than the Pred many times...and see it on the Manufacturer's web site that it is. If I am not mistaken, I have also heard that you can find them cheaper from a dealer....?? I do know that the parts for a Spectra are more expensive
Supply I posted another thread about the availability of Spectras and got a few answers...are they still having that trouble with supply of the helis? Parts?
Quality

Now for just some general Q's
What engine is best for the Spectra? I want to get the Hanson 3D or PRO...whichever is the better engine of the two. Though, correct me if I am wrong, the manufacturer says that you shouldn't use the Hanson engines w/ the Spectra?? If that is correct, then why?
Also the vibration probs w/ the Spectra...I have read that because the frame is so much more rigid than the Predator's?

Other Pros/Cons/problems/anything I need to know!

I am leaning towards the Spectra right now...since it 3Ds well and is pretty sexy(well, both are), seems to be a quality kit. I like quality even if it costs more
Now, I am at a point hearing about all of the woes of the Spectra that I can lean toward the Predator fairly easily.


Like I said...I know both are great helis, I just want to make the right decision when I am investing that much money. I want to know which is all around best for me?

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11-12-2005 12:49 AM  12 years agoPost 2
Heli-Driver

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The Predator Gasser with do any 3D you want and then some. Parts are half the price of the MA machine. You can easily add a long tail boom and blades and fly heavy payload AV if you want.

Or you can buy both and sell the one you like least.



Raymond

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11-12-2005 03:36 AM  12 years agoPost 3
Dr. Fibinotchi

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yea.
I have a 1005 Ma gas ship. Its a good heli, but lots up upgrades can make more time than its sometimes feels worth. I would hope the pred is easier to work on then doing a 1005/spectra. you dont want a pricey AV rig that will take a while to repair.

-Cody

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11-12-2005 05:04 AM  12 years agoPost 4
valerko

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Actually Spectra and Predator carbon are just about the same price.There's not that big of a difference in parts cost.
I have them both.I love Pmax,I'm no A.Szaboo,but can do some trick and Pmax flies little "heavy" ,but is agille almost like my Freya.
As for Spectra,tomorow it'll have maiden flight.I'll just tune the engine and get some bugs out.It'll be some time before I'll have any opinions on the way it flies.

Quality of the kits is pretty much equal.Pmax is little easier to build ,and fix.
My carbon Pmax is stock,with the exception of light Saab paddles.

Hope that helps.

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11-12-2005 05:06 AM  12 years agoPost 5
FCM

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3D and video don't go - you will need two helis for this as they are vastly different requirements for any helicopter.

Paul.

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11-12-2005 05:13 AM  12 years agoPost 6
Toadster25

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MA recomends the G231 only for the Spectra G. They also recomend using the TRM engine but I think that is just because they did all of there testing using the TRM modified engine and they probably make some money off of the sell of the TRM engines. I think that a hanson modified engine would work just as good as a TRM as long as it is a G231 engine.

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11-12-2005 06:42 AM  12 years agoPost 7
3dwanabe

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Perry let me fly the Predator Gasser earlier this year at the Century fun fly. I was very impressed. Super smooth and tracked very well through loops, rolls and fast forward flight. Climb rate was good for a gasser and the flip/roll rate was a little slower than what I was used to. I liked it enough to consider buying one.

I now own a Spectra and with the same engine and muffler (G231 with a Torpedo pipe). The Spectra is more precise than the Predator and is way more responsive. It has a lighter feel to it and is much faster in climb rate and forward speed. The gear ratio in the Spectra works very well with the G231.

I think the Spectra has higher quality parts. It also has a superior servo layout and linkage design.

The Predator is a little cheaper but the Spectra does fly better in every way and is a higher quality machine.

Roy

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11-12-2005 03:16 PM  12 years agoPost 8
ddavison

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First I am a rep for MA so I am bias toward their products. I have not flown a Predator so I can not comment on them. All I can say is the quality of the Spectra is excellent, the early problems(with the t/r gearbox and muffler ) have been solved. It flys like my Extreme 90 except it has a gas engine, very predictable, solid, responsive. I am using the TRM 231 engine and the 260 is not recommended at this time due to the gear ratio being not correct causing vibration problems, The TRM produces more then enough power and is very user friendly. One other thing you might consider is to pick something that your fellow fliers are using, this was you have support from them with problems that may pop up and maybe a source on a part if needed in a hurry. You may want to consider the availability of spares, local hobby shop, on line, etc. and customer comments and feedback on the different forums(remember some can be bias). Hope this may help, if anyone has a specific questions please PM me. Dave

DaveDavison,GasGob,WhiplashGas,Spectra,JRXG11MV,12X

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11-12-2005 05:33 PM  12 years agoPost 9
chixwithtrix

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ok, so the TRM engine for the Spectra is the engine to get for it eh? What cc is it?

The Hanson modded Zenoahs can be used in the Predator?

Let me add something more: along with all the other things above, which heli would be best for a college student as far as parts availability, reliability, and cost. Like I said, if quality is the issue I will pay more, but both seem to be of good enough quality that one will not blow the other away. If I got the Spectra and had a crash, would I be able to order parts and get them in good time? I know helis will be down for maintinence, but I want one that will be in the air more than on the ground waiting for parts. How is Century as far as getting parts out?

I like the Spectra a lot, its just I am not sure I want to deal with a finicky heli when I just want to go out and fly the pants of of one. While the Predator flies smooth and graceful from what I'm reading...I don't want a slow aerobatic heli. Is the aerobatic response a lot different between the two? Maybe the Predator is best for me at the moment though...

Thanks for the help so far, keep it coming

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11-12-2005 11:20 PM  12 years agoPost 10
ddavison

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The TRM is a 231 engine, I go to fly anytime I do not have to touch anything, once it is set up it stays. The majority of the parts are the same as the Fury/Extreme/Tempest/Stratus so they are readily available. As I said I have not flown a Predator to give a opinion on how it flies. The Spectra will do anything you want, it can be smooth and graceful or it will 3d with any other, it has a real locked on feeling, it will react when you want and will not do anything you don't want or have a unusual habits. Check the HF forum for videos and see for yourself. Dave

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11-13-2005 06:46 PM  12 years agoPost 11
Heli-Driver

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Actually Spectra and Predator carbon are just about the same price.There's not that big of a difference in parts cost.
I didn't say carbon gasser. I simply stated the Predator gasser was MUCH cheaper than the MA ship. Don't get me wrong, MA makes a good product, I used to have two Fury Extremes but the replacement parts cost for MA was unreal.

Predator parts are generally much cheaper than others.

I have both carbon and metal frame gassers, other than a little weight savings they really don't fly any different.

Stock Predator Gasser WITH 231 Engine $995.00

Extra long Century Tailboom $14.95
Century Stainless Steel Torque Tube: $ 33.95

Crash Kit: $75.00 for Tailboom, TT, mainshaft, spindle, etc..

Please post MA prices for tailboom and torque tube replacement parts and a general crash kit if they prices aren't "that different".

Granted a full blown carbon gasser from Century is close to price of a SpectraG but it is still cheaper and parts are way cheaper.

Just trying to keep things in perspective.

Tom Fiddler has a good point, the stock 231 runs SWEET and has plenty of power. Seems the bigger motors that are all tricked out shake the heli apart or destroys the clutches.



Raymond

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11-13-2005 07:06 PM  12 years agoPost 12
aarinsingh

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Well I just put my Pred gasser in, on Friday, and fos a pretty good crash the bill is $225 USD including blades and servo gears and everything I found broke/bent so far. Lemme seeya do that with a Min Air Product.

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11-13-2005 11:27 PM  12 years agoPost 13
bellecrank

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They are both very worthy gassers, but if we compare pricing there is no doubt about the fact that the Spectra will cost more

Ron Lund has the Spectra on for $1050 and the Predator C/F kit for $1090. At first glance, it may seem the Predator is $40.00 more! But on close examination, one finds that the Pred comes with $130.00 contest proven Carbon Fiber rotor blades (Rotor Tech). These were the same blades used by 10 of the 14 top flyers at this years US Nats!

The Pred GS also comes with 105mm RT carbon fiber tail blades - another $30.00 value.

They both come with fiberglass canopies, but the Preds does not need to be painted. It comes ready for the decals with a beautiful white finish. How much is that worth? The last time I had someone do a very simple paint job for me it cost me $120.00!

So considering these three items, IMHO, the Spectra really costs more - about $150.00 to $200.00 more.at least.

As for crash costs - again IMHO the advantage goes to the Pred.

And the way the Pred flies with just an inexpensive, run of the mill G231 is a real eye-opener.

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11-14-2005 02:10 AM  12 years agoPost 14
chixwithtrix

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yes, I would like to see crash costs of a Spectra if anyone has that info...

Does anybody have a video of the Predator flying? I have seen a few of the Spectra, but can't find any pf the Predator. If anyone has vids of either that would be greatly appreciated as well

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11-14-2005 02:35 AM  12 years agoPost 15
valerko

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Please post MA prices for tailboom and torque tube replacement parts and a general c
Boom 19$
TT 38$
Main shaft and spindel 16$ and 15$

Like I said,not considerable difference in "regular " crash cost.

Love the way my Pmax with stock 231 flies.I've put new kevlar MAH 700' and 20g Saab paddles and roll rate is faster then on my freya.

Finaly finished my Spectra and played with it a bit today.I was impressed .
TRM engine and hatori muf. make really nice combination.Didn't get to do too much, just some hovering and some FF since I'm braking it in,but still was impressed.Spectra doesn't have that " heavy feeling " like Pmax.and TRM engine is super smooth.

It pretty much comes down to personal preference.They both nice quality kits and can do just about anything 90 size glow heli can (in the right hands ).Pmax has a little price edge,because if you "drill" that thing from 50',you can probably salvage part of the frame,unlike Spectra with a 1 piece frame (don't ask how I know).Considering price of both of this helis,crash cost shouldn't really be an issue.

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11-16-2005 10:24 PM  12 years agoPost 16
chixwithtrix

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does anyone have videos of either?

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11-16-2005 11:00 PM  12 years agoPost 17
sparky666

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you should find what you want here.......i hope.


http://www.augustoheli.com/videostuff/


click on VIDEO SERVER

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06-16-2010 05:24 PM  7 years agoPost 18
dolinator

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I just bought the Pred and I have to say as an Engineer I was very impressed. It went together smoothly and had no problems with the manual. The cost was with in reason and the parts seem to be very affordable. This ship looks like multitasking would be very easy like the real combat ships. I'll updat as soon as I have the maiden done!!

Later
The "BIG D"

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06-16-2010 11:11 PM  7 years agoPost 19
Manol

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ANY Gasser is a bitch.
You have to be willing to take the pain for a while in the mean time you get it to fly right.
Good Luck.

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06-17-2010 02:48 AM  7 years agoPost 20
rbort

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Oh man
Mine is flying SO SWEET I was smiles cheek to cheek on the way home tonight Put another 4 flights / 1 hour on it this evening as tomorrow 10 yards of mulch show up and its hard labor time...!

-=>Raja.

MA 1005 Hanson 280, 4187 flts
Spectra 27 3DMax, 3252 flts
Whiplash V1-2 Hanson 300, 1503 flts
Whiplash V2 Hanson 300, 349 flts

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