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11-11-2005 12:29 PM  12 years agoPost 1
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Good day...

For the first couple days I have been trying my hands at Reflex XTR, and I must say that is a great software indeed. The fact that you are using your very own transmitter is a definite plus. I’ve only been using the software for less than a week, and have learned a few things well.

For a very short time, I have been trying my hands at various fixed-wing airplanes that came with the software and flying them is not that hard. I can do flips, rolls, inverted flights, knife-edge and so on...and then land - which is all fine.

But that is not the (main) reason why I invested $200.00 in. I want to fly helis, and I know I have a lot to learn on these birds, because for the life of me, I am unable to sustain a good hover without the helicopter drifting all over the place!

So my questions, is it that hard on the simulator (as compared to the real model)? Of course, I have no intentions of giving up, but it looks like I have a big (and long) learning curve ahead of me, before I spend a cent on a real model.

Even though, I am brand new in this hobby, I will say nevertheless that all newcomers should really invest in a good simulator (like XTR, G3 or the like). I can already see myself saving some crash money.

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11-11-2005 02:10 PM  12 years agoPost 2
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Don't despair. At first mastering hover can be daunting, but in time (with practice) it'll become second nature. No, most models in real life hover much easier than Reflex. This is a good thing, since that sim forces you to learn much quicker than if helis remained mostly stationary like other current sims tend to do. Keep at it, you'll be hovering well in no time.

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11-11-2005 02:22 PM  12 years agoPost 3
raston

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Hey... Its good to hear someone else is having the same experience and same thoughts as I am. I have been working on Reflex and am getting better at it, but it sure is work to get a good hover happening.

RCfan, can you suggest any particular 'exercises/routines' to work on that will really zero in on improving our Heli skills?

Thx.

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11-11-2005 02:43 PM  12 years agoPost 4
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I find that its a constant battle to get a stable hover in reflex, but I guess that keeps you working and training your reflexes. Rest assured if you can master hover in Reflex you can hover a real heli.

I like doing real slow hover pirouettes to learn my orientations. The Promenade works too but I don't do as well. I think I'm too nervous about tripping over something.

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11-11-2005 03:23 PM  12 years agoPost 5
pH7

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Reflex XTR has hover practice modes which will give you control of one, two, or three of the controls. If all four at once is too challenging, then start with the simpler ones and work up from there.

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11-11-2005 04:55 PM  12 years agoPost 6
darkfa8

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I concurr with pH7 about the Hover Training. I started out with a real heli before really spending much time on the sim. Since my flying time outside has been limited this Fall, I've spent a bit more time on the sim to keep my reflexes up (no pun intended).

I experimented with perceived hover stability with all of Reflex's stock heli models and the two I found the least twitchy and most realistic compaired to my 30-size nitro heli were the 60-size trainer and the EC135 scale heli.

I made adjustments to the 60 trainer parameters to make it a bit more concurrent with the real thing in terms of responsiveness. However, since then I've found a nice Raptor 90 from a gentleman from France who modeled his own R90 into the sim and it flys fantastic. It's easier to see and it's still got you on your toes enough to where I had to dial in -15 of Expo to keep it from twitching around with even the slightest breath on the sticks. So far, this has become my favorite model.

One way to practice hovering, you can use Reflex's Hover Training and narrow it down to 1 or 2 control surfaces so you can focus on them, is to let the heli start to drift, then add in the control slowly and smoothly that will move the heli in the opposite direction. Keep practicing this and as you go you'll be catching the heli sooner and with greater anticipation before it starts to drift. Just be sure to use smooth inputs, not quick, jerky ones otherwise it will make the model jerk around and could induce a oscillation which you might not be able to recover from.

So take it slow, use as little input as possible and when using the input make it smooth. Everyone is different in their dilligence and patience. For me, I was nearly pulling my hair out.. how the heck do these guy's keep the thing so rock solid? (like Curtis) Just took a lot of practice.

The psuedo relief came when I'd fly my real heli and it was so much more stable. I had my Hawk Sport's setup down real well so it would hover on it's own with very little drift for well over 5 seconds with my hands off the controls. It needed very little in the way of correction. So, then I was able to focus on collective management so I could keep it in one spot vertically in wind.

The more time you spend on the sim refining hovering, Forward Flight and other orientations the better off you'll be when you get the real heli. So long as you can keep the same amount of confidence and not be scared by the prospects of crashing, you'll set yourself up to advance a lot more quickly. Fear and unconfidence (usually from lack of funds) are a pilot's biggest weaknesses.

As for me, fear is something I am still working on, though that's mostly tied into the fact that I've had trouble keeping a steady income. So, when I do crash, it's costly

- Dan Goldstein
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11-11-2005 05:19 PM  12 years agoPost 7
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Thank you very much for your inputs. I am going to keep working at the hover practice modes (which is where I am right now), until I get some positive response.

From my very short time on the simulator (about 2-hours so far), it seems to me that the bigger the heli, the more stable it is. I reckon that this goes for the real models as well...

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11-11-2005 05:59 PM  12 years agoPost 8
darkfa8

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your synopsis is correct about the stability factor.

a 50-size is more stable then a 30-size and a 90-size is more stable then the 50-size. The larger the machine, typically the more resiliant it is to wind (less bobbing up and down) and it's easier to maintain a steady hover.. relatively speaking.

- Dan Goldstein
Team Revolectrix

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11-13-2005 12:26 AM  12 years agoPost 9
heliyes

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I flew on Reflex weeks before taking my heli out for the first time. I was nervous as hell but I hovered rock solid it was amazing. Different heli models on reflex will be harder to control than others you just have to make adjustlment to get as close as you can to the real thing. Even if you can't nail down a solid hover in XTR you may be able to with your real heli, that is if you've taken the time to set it up properly.

"Insert witty saying here"

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11-15-2005 12:42 PM  12 years agoPost 10
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Thank you for your inputs...

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