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11-10-2005 04:22 AM  12 years agoPost 1
arawson

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Flying my Sabre, assembling my Raptor5ov2, getting better and better on sim (big improvements on nose-in) .Just wondering if there is a set of lessons out there so I can go through a kind of regimented checklist. Lessons as an add-on for G3 would be awesome. But at the moment I get on sim and hover as steady as possible for about 5 minutes, try to do the same nose-in, attempt some figure 8's (not so good) and then do some forward that 8 times out of 10 results in a crash beacause I get carried away. But now in anticpation of taking Raptor out for first time I'm really trying to get as close to 0 crashes as possible pretending I'm really flying. A step-by step lesson plan would be great if anyone knows of any.
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Andy

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11-10-2005 12:02 PM  12 years agoPost 2
PaulJC

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Hover tail in, then 45 degrees to each side, then hover T's or hammerheads, then side on both sides, then nose in, then 45 degrees each side nose in (harder than nose in).

Once you've got this sussed you'll be able to do figure of 8's with very good control and at a very slow speed.

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11-10-2005 01:46 PM  12 years agoPost 3
tchavei

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Be it 3D, F3C or any other style you have to start with baby steps and concentrate on orientation

PaulJC has given you excellent tips for starting out. I just want to add another thing... move the heli as slowly and steadly (height) as possible over the ground... thats not an advice to keep you safe (as I thought when someone told me that) but to improve your collective managements skills and orientation. Draw big squares in front of you. first tail-in and as you progress make the nose follow the path first (side-on).

Happy learning

Tony


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11-10-2005 02:05 PM  12 years agoPost 4
arawson

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Thanks guys!
Andy

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11-10-2005 06:38 PM  12 years agoPost 5
BC Don

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Once you've got the hovering and SLOW figure 8s and want to move onto Forward Flight, do basic circuits while keeping the Heli at the same height and speed. You can fly a typical plank pattern or elongated lazy 8. Basically, take off, gain altitude in forward flight heading into the wind parallel to the flight line - make a 90 degree turn away from the flight line - fly cross wind for a short period, make a 90 degree turn back so you are again parallel with the flight line but further out - fly a straight line - 90 degrees and fly towards the flight line - 90 degrees and again parallel to the flight line and flying by in front of yourself.

You want to be able to take off, slowly gain altitude and then keep the Heli at a constant alititude and speed as you make a few circuits. This lets you fly with the planks (if they are there).

Once you've getting this down, move onto "Stall turns" (190 piros). Fly straight and level at "2 mistakes high" and pull back on the stick so the Heli goes straight up (reduce collective to zero assuming your throttle curve still keeps RPM up) and rotate the Heli 180 degrees so it comes straight back down - gently pull back on the stick and add collective so you are flying straight and level again. Remember to rotate in both directions. You can then change this to be a tail slide - don't rotate the Heli, let it fall tail first back down and PUSH on the stick to level it back out (and you'll be flying backwards).

The stall turn then leads into a loop at some point but that's another discussion.

Practise this stuff on the SIM first and good luck.

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11-11-2005 10:32 PM  12 years agoPost 6
Elbarak

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Here is some good information as well:
http://www.heliproz.com/flying.html

Regards,
Elbarak

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11-12-2005 02:34 PM  12 years agoPost 7
Yug

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I just want to add that when I started, one thing that got me feeling much more comfortable was doing slow pirouettes. This gave me confidence to try new attitudes with the knowledge that if things went bad, a pirouette to tail in brought things good. For me, this freed things up tremendously and things progressed well.

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11-12-2005 06:25 PM  12 years agoPost 8
miataguy

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I think the IRCHA PPP is a nicely organized way to progress. Here's a few links:

Level 1

Entire List from Dr. Dan

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11-12-2005 11:42 PM  12 years agoPost 9
440GTX

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I give this advice to all new heli people.
Take Your Time .

Fred..

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11-13-2005 12:04 AM  12 years agoPost 10
PaulJC

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And don't forget to have fun

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11-13-2005 12:44 AM  12 years agoPost 11
tchavei

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And remember... helis usually crash on the ground and not up in the sky.
Height is your friend


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11-13-2005 01:01 AM  12 years agoPost 12
Darkone

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I would also check out raptortechnique.com. He has a lesson plan and videos of each lesson so you can get a visual of what he's talking about. It is a good source for all beginners.

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11-13-2005 01:07 AM  12 years agoPost 13
Yug

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And remember... helis usually crash on the ground and not up in the sky
Unless there are planks about

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11-13-2005 02:10 AM  12 years agoPost 14
tchavei

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...or mid air boom strikes

Tony


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11-13-2005 07:25 PM  12 years agoPost 15
AlanR8

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And remember... helis usually crash on the ground and not up in the sky.
you got that DEAD right.....

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11-14-2005 03:06 AM  12 years agoPost 16
arawson

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los angeles california

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Thanks Guys
All your suggestions were super helpful. I'm taking slow steps and progressing nicely. I seem to find myself making 4 trips a day to the LHS though
Thanks
Andy

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12-07-2005 06:20 PM  12 years agoPost 17
JWPage

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Petaluma, CA

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IRCHA PPP

I have read about the requierments for the different levels. How do you obtain it? Is there a check-ride? Who checks a pilot out? Do you get a certificate?

IRCHA #2527, AMA #846152

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12-07-2005 09:29 PM  12 years agoPost 18
flyingmotorbike

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