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11-08-2005 12:26 PM  12 years agoPost 1
Toolman

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To anyone who is interested.

There are quite a few G3 photo fields for download at rcheliace.com here
When I host a multiplayer session using one of these. I will post the name followed by rcheliace as the session title & would urge others to do the same.
You need to have the field installed before you can join the session I believe.

Tim.

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11-11-2005 08:08 AM  12 years agoPost 2
Toolman

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Arn't you all bored with the same photo field everyone seems to be flying??

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11-12-2005 04:50 AM  12 years agoPost 3
BisonFlyer

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thanks a lot for that post..... i have been looking for some new photofields. those look like they could be great.... installing now

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11-12-2005 05:05 PM  12 years agoPost 4
Toolman

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My favourites are

1. Suesel, as its kinda like the 3D masters site at Northampton.
2. Farmes Field, nice.
3. Sport Hall, trying to fly a 90 indoors requires concentration. Tis even better with 2 or more in multiplayer.

Tim.

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11-12-2005 08:00 PM  12 years agoPost 5
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I would like to bring it to everyones attention that I am not the creator/author of the panoramic images I have mapped. I am simply mapping the collision data into these images. They are third party images I have found on various free sites. I am in contact with a few people to get the creator/author info straight so I can give the image credit to the proper people.

Rob
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11-12-2005 09:56 PM  12 years agoPost 6
rcheliace

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LOOK @$$ again you have no idea what you are talking about. NON of the fields I have mapped where ever state my me to be my own at any time. Nor where they copy righted material. They are third party images from FREE sites. Just mapped with collision data for G3. Now for the last time shut the $#$@#%^#@ up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have no tolerance for people like you sturing up trouble for your own personal enjoyment. If it comes down to it I will discontinue my work for G3 and use all my work for my own personal enjoyment. Sorry to have to vent like this, but once again the guy has to get under my skin like in a previous thread that was lost because of him. If this guy continues I will simply move on to another site.

Rob
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11-12-2005 11:44 PM  12 years agoPost 7
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If you make statements like this many of us would like to see the proof. You make these accusations without showing any proof of your words.

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11-13-2005 12:41 AM  12 years agoPost 8
Toolman

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Rob has done what is a nice piece of work adapting the Photo fields to G3. He has done this off his own back & is sharing them with the rest of us on his non profit making website. He has stated that he’s not the creator of the panoramic images & is in the process of adding credit to the original sources.

So what exactly is causing offence (I am sure I really don't want to get involved in this!)?
What are you suggesting that the rest of us do, ignore what is clearly a pretty nice piece of work?

Please note that I know none of the facts here & have absolutely no intention of searching through RR to find past threads on this.

Now to the purpose of this thread, I was just tying to point out that there are other Photo fields out there than ‘Sod farm’ NOT TO START A THREAD ON COPYWRIGHT.

Tim.

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11-13-2005 01:11 AM  12 years agoPost 9
rcheliace

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If there where copyrights (and I saw non or would not have used the images openly) they where not aparent to me. If they where in another file other than the main file with the images then I would not have seen them (even if I could read german) I again state "I have not taken credit for ANY of the images I mapped". I have said time and time again when asked that I got the images off a third party site and had NOT created them. I have the stitching software and will be getting a better digital camera in the future to make up my own images of local sites. I have been contacted by one person on the issue and await an answer.

Harold Bendschneider wrote:

Hi Rob,
you are falsely taking all the credit by "borrowing" five of my sceneries which you offer on your website without referring to the source.
I challenge you to name me as the author of the sceneries and the source you have taken them from or to displace them from your site.
Furthermore I would like to be asked if you want to publish the results of my work for days.
Regards
Harald

my reply was:

Harold,

Hello,I have not taken any credit for any of the work on any of the panoramic images. I have stated to all who inquire that I have just mapped collision data for G3 to an existing image. I have not, at any time, state that I created any of the images on my site. As a matter of fact, I stated that most where third party XTR images off the rc.sim.de site. Which is a free download site, as is mine. If you could let me know which of the images are yours I would gladly state you as the author/source, no need to challenge me to do so, or if you like I will take them down. it is your choice. Please advise.I apologize for the use of your work with out asking. I was only extracting the images from the downloaded folders to be imported as a raw panoramic image into G3. Again I apologize, I meant no harm and certainly did not mean to take credit for someone else's hard work. Just trying to offer more fields for those that are unable to figure out the mapping process for images in G3. A lot of these images where sent to me to be mapped, so I saw no harm in posting for all to share when I was done. I had found out that a few that where sent to me where Reflex copyrighted fields so they where not posted. Again, If you wish me to take them down I most certainly will with out delay. I will also place a statement on that page stating that these are third party images that I have merely mapped collision data to NOT created to avoid any future confusion.

Thank You
Rob Douglas

Answer me this Kurt, when a guy uses photos of say a Predator gasser to create a heli for Reflex he would have contacted century for the expressed writtn permition right? I meen you just woulden't do that with out permition that would be copyright enfringment

Rob
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11-13-2005 01:22 AM  12 years agoPost 10
rcheliace

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Quoted by SwissKurt

He found the sceneries (photos) made by others and was useing them for his own purpose. He didn't ask the creator of the photos and he removed copyright marks of the sceneries he was taking.

I challenge you to find one copyright mark on any image I have used! They do not exist. I have not retouched or edited these images in any way. They are all exactly as I saved them. I will post a link to all the images if you wish to download and open each and every one for yourself to look at the raw panoramic image to see for your self, but I'm sure you are aware of that. The copyright mark would have to be ON the image and not in another file somewhere for this to hold true. Your ball Kurt I know the law! and how it works!

Rob
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11-14-2005 01:04 AM  12 years agoPost 11
rcheliace

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AGAIN, I never stated that I created ANY of the images. I am now enrolled in a german language class to avoid any furthur problem with read me files. I am done justifying meyself! I will begin dumping my files and closing my site out so head on over to the RealFlight swap page guys. I'm threw! Your the man Swisscheese! BRAVO

Rob
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11-14-2005 01:49 AM  12 years agoPost 12
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Why not simply include either a link to the original scenery document/archive at rc-sim.de under each link in your page, provide just the collision files with instructions on where to download the sceneries or include the original zip as part of your distribution. Any of these should keep all these bigots away! Makes you wonder why they publish their hard work on a free site to begin with???

rcheliace ... keep up the great work and all the help you're providing this community ... PLEASE, please ignore SwissKurt ... he's only here to harrass, insult and boost his ego. He has nothing better to do!

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11-14-2005 07:32 AM  12 years agoPost 13
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What is the real problem? Why is it so dammed difficult to just do what the author wants: ASK HIS PERMISSION and KEEP HIS NAME ON IT? I don't thing anybody would have objected but these 2 small little steps are really that complicated that you can't do them?????

You found the sceneries, you got them, you find your way to work the collision data - fine! But what is the remaining problem to just ask these guys?

Looking at your childish bahaviour and stubborn manners here, it would have been enough to just send out a few emails, get the permission, keep the read-me's and everything would have been fine.

This is nothing new, this is common procedure, that's the principle of open source but you WANT to make it differently - and the only explanation - if any - is that you want to take credit for others work. Look at the thousands of open source community out there, they publish others works without a single problem but somehow they manage to keep names and read-me's.

Why do we always have to reinvent normal stuff here in that cmmunity? Why can't we just stick to a very few basic rules? Why is it so dammed difficult to just respect a few things to make a lot of lifes easier? No, you better do it the smelly hard way, knowing everything better and at the end throwing mud as usual.

Cheers - wolfgang

If you ever want to know why manufacturers stay away from these places, now you have an idea about the reasons. You ask for the obvious and get the ridiculous.

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11-14-2005 01:26 PM  12 years agoPost 14
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Wolfgang, IMO your post was uncalled for ... no one is debating that rcheliace could have taken a different approach (I'm sure the one he took was the one he thought would create the least amount of trouble for folks that would be installing these sceneries). I personally understand the reasoning, "why make it harder for folks in a mostly non-computer-savvy community; simplify as much as possible". I suggested several courses of action that should alleviate everyone's concerns. I don't know how upset rcheliace is or even if he does intend to drop out of this, but I'm sure if he does others will most likely have to take over for his work.

I think it's inappropriate for you as a vendor to jump into this thread and give someone in this community a hard time for helping the rest out. Yes, it is the "competition" he is helping out, but that doesn't give you the excuse or right. I understand there's some bad blood between you guys due to earlier posts, but rcheliace did the right thing once made aware that some of your sceneries had been sent to him. If there are scene developers that have a problem with what rcheliace has done, they should PM him with their concerns. In the end, I'm positive all will be taken care of and everyone will be happy with the outcome.

I think the whole problem here has nothing to do with the "intellectual" part but rather the hurt this is putting on Reflex as a whole. KE made the right decision to provide photo sceneries in the sim; this was forseen the moment you introduced Panolusion and I'm sure you expected this. Unfortunately their scene editor is giving G3 a slight lead even if the technology is not as robust as Reflex's. Perhaps this would be a good time to release the RSK and leave G3 eating Reflex dust! Further delays will only help G3 gain an even further lead which Reflex may be unable to recover.

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11-14-2005 02:38 PM  12 years agoPost 15
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RCFan, I'm not jumping in because I'm worried, I'm jumping in because I see an increasing disrespect for the excellent work of people doing it just to make themselves and others happy. I can't see the "why make it harder for folks in a mostly non-computer-savvy community; simplify as much as possible"-argument at all. If rcheliace would have asked for permission and keep the redme's in the directory and would have mentioned the source/origin on his homepage, it would make life just a very little harder for him but all the rest wouldn't have any more job to do. The creators would be happy, he could have rested his head on a soft and warm pillow and we would all be happy. Instead, as I mentioned earlier, he didn't do it in a noemal way and he uses very bad language to justify his wrong doing.

You all want to get better products, more fun, more thrill in the future? Then why don't you just respect the tasks of others and their declared will?

Besides, I got copies of how rcheliace tried getting my sceneries for his homepage - that discussion can't even be published. Guess what, he wasn't even asking me - he always tried to find a way through the backdoor thus avoiding a clear and mistaken NO from my side.

Frankly speaking, from what I have read till now, I feel that rcheliace has some potential for good work but he doesn't have the respect for the work of others. If you allow the picture, it sounds like a very good sports to run the 400ft in olympic record but he is using that skill to rob the vallet of an old lady and run away. Funny enough, there seems to be a majority here in that forum supporting that attitude which makes me think about coding my sceneries for the future so that they arn't available anymore als .bmp or .jpg. As a matter of fact, I'm thick about permanently fighting for my work and slapping hands of these who pretend to have the right on their side.

While you were talking about the RSK, just ask and you get a reply. I'm not attending forums anymore for detailed reasons but I'm pretty fast in answering mails. Expect delays if the content is of secondary importance as I answer people with problems about technical issues first. The RSK is comming either this month (a german version) or in early december - depending on how fast we get the tutorials finished. I will do the english translation more or less online with a good friend who knows 3D in and out so you can expect an english menue and tutorial a week later. I would like to point out that the RSK will not be a mainstream product for the moment as it really is complicated and I'm afraid to blow my support basket with too many inquiries on how it works. It needs some skills.

For future public communication I would like to keep the question of product quality between Reflex, G3 and AFPD real low profile. At the end of the day, we talk about software developers trying to make a good job. As I expressed quite a long time ago, I have a deep respect for nearly all kind of work, no matter who does it or where it is done. I am a little sad about unqualified advertising and general company ethics on how to handle others work but that is good or bad marketing - that's the job that produces only limited respect on my side. So it's not so much about leaving someone in the dust but to make sure your own work is as good as you can do it.

Cheers - wolfgang

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11-14-2005 03:21 PM  12 years agoPost 16
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I think this whole issue has been blown way out of proportion and there was no reason for a certain individual to harass or accuse rcheliace of impropriety after he posted this:
I would like to bring it to everyones attention that I am not the creator/author of the panoramic images I have mapped. I am simply mapping the collision data into these images. They are third party images I have found on various free sites. I am in contact with a few people to get the creator/author info straight so I can give the image credit to the proper people.
SK decided to start an argument from this. It was unnecessary! IMO, rcheliace was not doing this for glory and it sure didn't seem he was taking the credit for anything but creating the collision maps. Yes, in 20/20 hindsight he probably should have asked the creators first. Please don't generalize this as a blatant attempt to stiff a vendor, steal someone's work or some larger scheme against creativity. Personally I'm just as PO'd about piracy/intellectual-thievery as you are, but I certainly do not consider this topic to fall anywhere near that category.

Good news on the RSK; look forward to messing around with it.

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11-14-2005 06:56 PM  12 years agoPost 17
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Now it it clear again, why you won't find manufacturers in forums anymore. How can you argue against that kind of nonsens?

If you have something substabtial to say, go ahead and use the office email numbers provided. Me and my team will do our utmost to solve your problem and refund if necessary.

If you have an accusation to do, see your lawyer and go for me but be prepared to bring some substantial proof.

Spilling here in a forum without the necessity of proof: No problem. It's the freedom of speach but don't expect to be taken serious.

And that's the end of my RR presence again. To those having a REAL problem or a REAL complaint, please use info@reflex-sim.de.

One last word: Yes, I talk about biz ethics and I will go on doing so even if people like knotted oppose. The normal, satisfied users may confirm that openly or silent. BTW, there are no ethics to handle that kind of complains - these will never work.

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11-14-2005 08:26 PM  12 years agoPost 18
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Sorry guys to get into your discussion, but maybe it is the only way to get contact with Wofgang.

Hi Wolfgang,

I'm trying to reach you last week many times about some discussions we have and models sent to you. maybe your emails gots over limits spaces and mail does'nt come to you, and this is why I did'nt get answers to my mails.

please let me know and contact me.

charbonneauvincent@hotmail.com

regards

Vincent

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11-15-2005 12:03 AM  12 years agoPost 19
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Wolfgang,

First off, And I say it again, I never took credit for ANY of the images. I have stated over and over and over and over that I am un-able to create these images at this time and that these are third party images off another free site.
There are two main reasons for just the image and objects files in the folder. 1 - it was all in german, 2 - I didn't want to confuse people that do not have alot of computer skills as far as where to put what and why. I thought it easier to only have to place two files. Again I appologize for my actions. It was not my intention to start all this up or to creat problems. Just trying to make peoples sim experience more enjoyable. I will gladly give credit where credit is due. If the creator/authors of any of the fields on my site could contact me, VIA E-mail, with the info needed I would be more than happy to post any and all info along with the images. I will also try to track down all the original downloads to see about the read me files (even if they are in german). If there is anyone out there that does not wish there image used please contact me and I will pull it with out haste. Again, my appologies.

Rob
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11-15-2005 03:51 PM  12 years agoPost 20
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Wolfgang,

Thanks for your answer and your payment!!!

best regards

Vincent

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