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11-08-2005 05:54 AM  12 years agoPost 1
FrosT

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Hi fellas. I'm new. Just wanted to thank Ryder for this cool place, and introduce myself. My name is Frosty, but my name was already taken by someone. So I settled for FrosT. Get it? I'm funny. Hope to get to know you guys better, and steal all of your knowledge, everyone seems pretty cool here.

I've been into R/C ground stuff for about ten years. Started a little hobby business called 'Perry's Hobbys L.L.C.' We started the R/C video/movie craze in 1999. (Sorry about that)

Anyhow, got bored with land stuff. I'm in Phoenix Arizona, went to an R/C Heli flying place about 5 years ago and that started the bug. A guy named Bryce Hetfield invited me.. I didn't even go for a while, but finaally went one day.. he was there, and I saw him fly.. it was amazing.. his Heli was all tricked out with carbon fiber everything, he doing all the cool stuff I see in videos.. going nuts with his Heli, he was a VERY skilled pilot-

Anyhow that's what started it.. I got my first Heli a week ago- Blade CP- I have no frigging idea what I'm doing. Read the manual, looked at a Tower Hobbies catalog heli section that had a drawing of basic heli controls.. charged the battery and fired her up. She wanted to spin in place, so I adjusted the 4 in 1 mixing/collective thing.. got it to where the small rotor on back balanced it out, and I could pick it up into a hover.. I held it for about 5-10 seconds, tetering a few feet forward, backward, left and right, then, despite my smooth/calm millimeter increments, she shot up really fast.. I dropped the stick all the way down and she fell like a stone from about 4-5 feet... the main rotor blades hit and got all jacked up in the flybar.. I noticed the main gear was missing four teeth, and the shaft rising up from the main gear was a little bent.. I came here, read about sticky collectives on the CP, and tore my Blade down to the frame.. rebuilding it the right way, taking care to check all reveals, measurements, balancing etc. Even bought a gauge (Pitch gauge?) for my main rotor blades and I have NO CLUE how to use it.. Anyway I bought some TRAINING WHEELS too! So now I can be more stable.. I bought carbon fiber blades because I jacked up the stock blades.. and while I was there, I paid 30 bucks for the upgrade/performance kit.. like I'll be using that any time soon. =)

Thanks for all great posts, I'll look forward to reading more and learning more- any quick tips on a good training software program for me? I was thinking about that Nexus .30 for a starter.. I think the Great Planes trainer program has a Nexus .30 right?

Thanks in advance,
Frosty

PS This will be the longest post you ever see from me- I am a man of few words lol

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11-08-2005 01:47 PM  12 years agoPost 2
BarracudaHockey

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Stay away from the Nexus. If your bent on Kyosho get a Caliber and hope they don't change models again in another year.

I'd would get a Raptor and if I was starting over I'd make it a 50 off the bat.

Welcome to the boards.

Andy
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11-08-2005 05:31 PM  12 years agoPost 3
FrosT

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Rap

You know I have been noticing a lot of pros on here have Raptors, that sounds like good advice- Kyosho changes the Nexus a lot or doesn't support parts?

I came to confess. I was the second gunman on the grassy knoll.

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11-08-2005 07:12 PM  12 years agoPost 4
BarracudaHockey

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Nexus part support is pretty much limited to what people have on hand. The line got discontinued and Tower and Kyosho "broke up" so parts are getting scarce. Kyosho redesignes every few years and drops support on older models after a while.

You could have the very first Raptor off the assembly line and with some reasonably priced upgrades have a current model that parts are everywhere. Raptors are widely supported by both factory reps and parts and experianced fliers. Caliber is a good machine but I figure its due for the Kyosho axe soon enough.

Andy
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11-09-2005 12:21 AM  12 years agoPost 5
FrosT

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Check it out

My 1st post and you guys probably saved me a huge headache! Thanks for the advice-

I came to confess. I was the second gunman on the grassy knoll.

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11-09-2005 01:37 AM  12 years agoPost 6
BarracudaHockey

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Thats what we are here for. Wish I had found this before I got back into it.

Andy
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11-09-2005 02:37 AM  12 years agoPost 7
Leif

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Welcome to helis FrosT.

Before you go much further, go back to the heli field and chat it up with the pilots there a bit. You'll need two things right away:

1. A good simulator, which will help you learn how to fly for the least amount of money.

2. Good building/setup advice.

There's only so much help you can get over the Net when it comes to building and setup, since much of this has to be seen in person. The local guys at the field will offer the most relevant advice for "which heli to get" as they will be the ones to help you set it up and learn to fly it.

As the others indicated, the Nexus is a discontinued model. Not the best heli ever designed, but it was the first heli for many of us. The top picks for a first nitro heli are the Hirobo Sceadu Evo and the Raptor. You can't go wrong with either one.

Leif

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11-09-2005 04:10 AM  12 years agoPost 8
FrosT

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Blade CP Question

Thanks Bar and Leif.. three questions for ya..

1. What sim do you suggest Leif?

2. How do you use a Heli Pitch gauge? I bought one..lol

3. I am rebuilding and tuning my Blade CP from the frame up after a small mishap on my first flight. I noticed that not only did my main blades fold in when they clipped the curb (had no training gear on first flight lol) BUT the main shaft appeared to be a bit bent.. SO during the replacement of this main gear with the shaft rising up out of it..

I noticed the three rods with ballends coming from the three servos and going up to the lower swashplate were different lengths from the factory.. like, REALLY different lengths.. difference between shortest and largest was like 4mm, on these tiny rods that looks like a lot to me, it was clearly visible with the naked eye.. but all of the servos are mounted level.. and even though I'm brand new and don't know anything, shouldn't they be equal lengths? I hope so cuz I just got done putting them all within like .010 of each other LOL.

Let me know if this is bad, I'm about to throw it all together.. nothing in my manual about this stuff whatsoever.. just an exploded view..no real specs/lengths dial-in info etc., just mixing stuff.

Oh also on tear down I noticed that the main rod that is pressed into the main gear, that rides up through the center mast/hub of the heli, had about 1mm of slop play.. I eliminated that slop during the rebuild by making sure there was no slack before securing the collar, I was careful to make sure it wasn't too tight/snug.. didn't want to overheat that tiny elec motor..

Hope all this stuff pays off and this thing handles better and feels tighter through the sticks.. I think these training wheel stick things will help add some weight on the bottom and make it easier to hover.. I can't wait..in two weeks I should be flying through obstacle courses like those Japanese guys with backpacks in the video section..except, umm, not really.

I came to confess. I was the second gunman on the grassy knoll.

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11-09-2005 03:13 PM  12 years agoPost 9
cessna151

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The training gear, unless it's really heavy, will only help keep the heli from tipping over on the ground.

Also the swash plate should be level, with those rods all the same length. If it takes a lot of trim to hover, then it is probably out of balance or out of track. Both are pretty easy to check, i think.

--Eagles may soar high, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines!--

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11-10-2005 01:42 AM  12 years agoPost 10
FrosT

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Thanks Cessna! Noted! It did take a lot of trim.. Hey it touched on tracking in my manual but didn't say how to fix it if it's out of track.. would I be correct in assuming that you just tighten loosen the main rotor blade grips? I bought a blade pitch gauge but don't know how to use it

I came to confess. I was the second gunman on the grassy knoll.

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11-10-2005 02:47 AM  12 years agoPost 11
Darkone

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Hey FrosT,

I've been using a freeware sim called FMS. It is not bad for a freebie. You just have to get an interface cable for your radio. This gives you the advantage of using your actual radio other than a generic one that doesn't have the feel or weight of the one you're going to be using to fly your heli. You can get them both at helihobby.com. This sim is not as realistic as the other $100-$200 sims but its free.

I also second the opinion of you getting a Raptor. They are great birds and easy and cheap to fix. Find some pilots in your area by going to the local hobby shops and see what they're flying.

E

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11-10-2005 02:48 AM  12 years agoPost 12
Darkone

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Sorry forgot to mention. Check out raptortechnique.com. This is a great source for all beginners.

E

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11-10-2005 03:31 AM  12 years agoPost 13
medriver

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Thats what I was going to say. I pretty much built my Raptor 50 off of raptortechnique.com. It made things much easier then just building it from the book. You can't go wrong with a Raptor and raptortechnique.com

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11-12-2005 05:21 AM  12 years agoPost 14
FrosT

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Sims

I bought GP Real Flight G3 with the Impala trainer-

Super cool- it didn't load on my gamer's tower which is kind of outdated, but it loaded right up on the newer laptop-

Very good, very cool for a newb like me- I'm really learning a lot- In about two hours on the sim having no experience whatsoever with helis, I was able to invert and hold it steady, and I can move my way around pretty good.. NOTHING close to you guys, and this is only a sim,

Which is the reason for me posting all of this.. how close is the sim to real flight with an R/C chopper? Should I add wind and stuff?

Thanks fellas-

PS After a LONG time of R/C land toys, and now starting with the Blade CP and the flight sim, it is KICKING MY ASS trying to teach my left thumb that forward stick does not make the heli go forward!!! lol

I came to confess. I was the second gunman on the grassy knoll.

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11-13-2005 12:58 AM  12 years agoPost 15
Darkone

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I don't have any experience with G3 but Iwith my sim, it seems that the real thing is a lot harder than the sim. I would at first, turn the wind off and then add it later. SInce you can already go inverted, I would turn on some wind and eventually progress to the worst conditions possible.

As for land based R/C... I also have many other toys and I have changed my boat and cars to a trigger style radio so my feeble brain can differentiate between the two.

Sounds like you're on the right track. Once you get the hang of the heli, you won't want to play with the other stuff.

E

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11-13-2005 01:24 AM  12 years agoPost 16
Yug

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There's no need to steal knowledge, just enjoy it.
XTR. I don't have G3 but apparently you can fly with others on the internet. Spend plenty of time on the sim before you try to fly for real. This will give you a good understanding of what's going on. However, depending on your constitution, flying for real will be much harder due to the inital fear factor.
Get a Raptor50. You will not need upgrades until you get into more complex 3D.

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11-14-2005 10:13 PM  12 years agoPost 17
Darkone

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Guy Martin,

I hope that you're not implying that I'm using pirating software by saying, "there is no need to steal knowledge" The FMS is FREEWARE, meaning it is, you guessed it, FREE to anyone who wants it.

E

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