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11-11-2005 08:10 PM  12 years agoPost 21
Nightstalker

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But il say one thing, if a plane goes down u can sometimes put it back together with super glue, but if a heli goes down u need more than glue, u need hard earn cash!!!!

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11-11-2005 08:46 PM  12 years agoPost 22
Jeff Greunke

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I fly planks to relax and helis to get a rush I don't have much time to relax

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11-11-2005 11:34 PM  12 years agoPost 23
Hoverdown3K

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You can't even compare them, apples and oranges..\

planks, are so limited....

-= I know there is Money in RC helicopters. I put it there=-

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11-12-2005 04:08 PM  12 years agoPost 24
Sea King

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How many four fingered heli pilots do you know?
Me LOL

Lost it in a fight with a chisel

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11-21-2005 08:00 PM  12 years agoPost 25
AERO3DPat

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Peace

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11-21-2005 08:04 PM  12 years agoPost 26
Glenn in Den

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A good guy will respect all women . . . .

But that doesn't mean you'll catch him dating the homely ones!!



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I'm not really an R/C pilot, I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last n

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11-21-2005 08:16 PM  12 years agoPost 27
RCHeliJim

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Lets end the term “plank” as it’s only an insult to take away form the challenge of fix wing flight. Open your minds.
Lets make a deal, if you can get the plane only guys to respect helis and stop calling them "unsafe and dangerous", we can make the name change - hehe. Or maybe get the AMA leaders to at least acknowledge helis in thier editorials and main messages. It really made me laugh when in a recent editorial Bob said something like "we all fly airplanes" when he was trying to share a message of respect for all aircraft, I was like WE DO?? - hehe. Just pulling your chain man

Seriously though, I think the largest "aircraft racism" problem we have in this hobby is what so many airplane pilots think of helis. You read of so many heli guys being ostracized from a club or field because of the heli. We have a local airplane club that "officially" has no problem with helis flying there - BUT you should hear the comments, see the stares, and hear the accusations that some guys have witnessed - not worth it to fly there if it is like that. This attitude helps create the defensive nature some heli guys have towards planes. I know a number of clubs get along and share fields just fine - they are a great example for the rest of us (Las Vegas' Bennett Field being one of the best)

You are right though, we need to all respect eachother as RC aircraft pilots. Many guys calling planes planks also fly and love airplanes - so I wouldnt consider it a full insult.



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11-21-2005 08:40 PM  12 years agoPost 28
AERO3DPat

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oneinnesja

I must say, your cool man. I really liked what you had to say. Flying is too great of a thing to make conflicted over. I love it all, event the homely chicks

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11-21-2005 09:34 PM  12 years agoPost 29
Squirrlybird

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not a very SAFE topic is it.

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11-21-2005 11:09 PM  12 years agoPost 30
A. Bundy

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24 years RC here,and yes few plane flyers know how to work the left stick.Complex airplanes are a whole different deal.....I still say helis are way harder to fly on any level.The quick direction changes and limitless flight attitudes are fascinating to me.

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11-21-2005 11:46 PM  12 years agoPost 31
Nanuk

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I guess I'm really nuts. I fly airplanes (planks) and heli's and I also have a rc monster truck. Why can't we all just be the overgrown kids we are and respect each others choices.
My favorite flying field has planks, heli's and yes rc monster trucks.
You can even fly your own real plane to the field with your toys in the back. Anyone living anywhere close to me knows I'm talking about Mac's.

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11-21-2005 11:52 PM  12 years agoPost 32
Jeff Greunke

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It's all RC and it;s all good Just a little frendly competition between airplane guys and Heli guys. I fly planes too Even Alan Sazbo started out flying planes PEACE??

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11-22-2005 10:14 AM  12 years agoPost 33
MattJen

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i agree with Jeff,

It is all a bit of fun, i dont like fixed wings, i find them dangerous, unsafe, and unpredictable, and the level of skill that goes into building them is not as high as a hellie.

A hellie demands more skill, stuff the crap about flying a fixed wing demand as much skill, no it doesnt, it took me 10 mins to learn to fly a fixed wing after flying competition hellies for 2 years,

I agree i have only flown fun flys and 2 scale models which do behave differently to high wings and i suppose to be fair do demand some skill to land and take off, but i fell and this a personal opinion, from experience, the fixed wingers i have seen most seem to crash all the time, and when i am practicing competiton hovering manouvers and you see a fixed wing fly over your hover patch cos an aeleron got jammed due to poor building, it really does unerve you when my fury is almost 1500.00 when compared to a 250.00 plank. stuck together with epoxy resin.

The reason i went into fixed wing was to try and brige the gap between fixed and rotary wings at my club, both camps had no understadning of each others models, which is why the friction often occurrs,

A fixed wing machine is flown up high and far away from the pilot, to a fixed wing pilot a hellie hovering 5 meters in front when you are not used to it can be percieved as dangerous

AND WHEN YOU GET STUPID HELICOPTER PILOTS PUTTING THEIR CRASH PICTURES ALONG WITH INJURIES SUSTAINED ON A WEB SITE FOR ALL TO SEE, IT IS ANY WONDER WE ARE HATED AND VIEWED AS UNSAFE.
i know that with those comments all the hellie crashers are gonna crucify me , saying well i put it on the site to show and warn others,
my answer to that is "just tpye it dont put pictures up, after all, anyone can access the internet, and i know that people on councils and health and safety pannellss when they get aqn application for a flying field the first they do before considering it is look on web sites such as these, and when you see picutres of crashes which alwasy look worse in a picture than in reality, it doesnt do us any favours.
I enjoy flying my hellies and would not change it for the world, the skills and passion i have learnt will never be surpassed by flying a fixed wing,

i fly a fixed wing to unwind after heavy competition practice, i have tried prop hanging, the closing the barn door manouver, and yeah it can be fun to master, but really all that is needed to achieve those moves is a the right prop,andmaybe a couple of mixes, whereas compared to a hellie, you have set up throttle curves, pitch curves, expo, negatitive pitch, and the list goes on,

i have seen so many fixed wing pilots become helli pilots and their attitude changes over night, gone are the days of throwing cheap servos into a fusealage, a cheap reciever, that is held in by foam and tape and wings that held on with elastic bands, i even frown when i see a hellie pilot fly with futaba 3001 servos, hellies demand so much more skill and respect,

i know you can progress with jets in fixed wing and higher level of scale models, but to be honest all i see around is cheap fun fly's like the pimbo and cougar, i sometimes see a nice scale spifire but it is often few and far between.

Becuase hellies are relativly new compared to fixed wing it will always be viewed as a threat as most of the people that fly fixed wings are old gits who have been around since WW2, and they will not change!!!
but hey thats life, it was funny i talked a glider pilot and they had the same argument when it changed from gliders to planks, the attitude was the same as it is now between hellies and fixed wing,

The hellie is much more of a demanging machine both in skill and in flying terms, it goes even higher when you move into turbines,

well that is my speach over with, or as previouse poster said"""""""""
All flight has it’s challenges. Some will always remain a challenge. As I aways say to people “You’ll never know everything as there is aways more to learn and always a idiot that has it all figerued out” FLIGHT IS AWSOME IN ALL FORMS. By bashing fixed wing aircraft it only shows your IGNORENCE and you limit yourself in many ways, not just in the flying relm, but as a person. Here’s a thought, lets grow together. Respect, appreciate, learn, and grow

All The Best

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11-22-2005 11:47 AM  12 years agoPost 34
Luckylandings

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Becuase hellies are relativly new compared to fixed wing it will always be viewed as a threat as most of the people that fly fixed wings are old gits who have been around since WW2, and they will not change!!!
I noticed that alot from some of the older guys at my local field. Some of them tell me that they attempted to fly a helicopter once or twice, but crashed right away and never tried it again.. I try to explain to them that heading hold gyros, simulation, etc. have made it much easier to learn than it was 20 years ago I am sure! (The time most of them say that they had tried).
But most of them don't want to hear it anyway and have made their mind up already that heli. = Bad..And I don't know how many times that I have heard how much more it costs to fly a helicopter. I don't really see that point either. That all depends on what type of plane or heli you are talking about flying. I still enjoy flying both myself, but if I had to choose one. It would without a doubt be a helicopter! For obvious reasons I would think..lol How`s that saying go?
If you have to ask, you wouldnt understand! JG

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12-01-2005 08:37 PM  12 years agoPost 35
t-rexkid

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whooooaaaaaa. Ive been flyin planes for a while and now im getting helis. Ive never heard any plane guys complain about heli guys except for a few geezers. Learning to fly plane sis deffinately easier at first but thats biased to say i learned to fly in 10 minutes so its easier and ive flown helis for 2 years. Wow what did you learn how to turn and go up and down? yeah its not that hard at first but 3d challenges you and pattern and other presiscion challenges you even more. Presiscion takes a lot of skill when youre good. It takes as much skill as being a heli pilot. The one thing that makes helicopters difficult at first is its ability to quickly position itself in any direction, with planes you cant do that....

The bottom line is you cant really compare the 2. They are both fun and theres a huge adrenaline rush when you have a 40% with a 150cc's of power hanging that mofo on the prop a foot from the ground, believe me youre adrenaline pumps when you have $6,000 dollars of bling in the air.

As far as building them goes you cant compare that either, helis bolt together and once you work out the complexities you dont have to worry about problems with the framing etc. With planes you have to ensure everything you glue is straight and true, theres no such thing as a perfectly interlocking kit. WHen buildign a plane you have to deal with warping as well. ANd when installing electronics and hooking you have to solve many problems.

Alsomost plane guys dont hate heli guys its just that when helis are flying due to their large rotor span and unpredictable flight paths theres mroe likely to be a collision and a heli usually survives much better in a midair than a plane(assuming its small) Bottom line planes and helicopters just dont mix well. You heli guys wouldnt like it if we took like a 35%'r and just flew a low pass while all of you were hovering. We have to elarn to respect each others space and not hog the field......

Also as a 3d flyer i catch a lot of crap from old geezers, a hell of a lot more than you guys get from us or we get from you. SO we should all unite against the old dudes

As far as danger helis are more dangerous, your talking about some huge blades turning at aroun 2000 rpms and you cant quickly stop the turn of those blades liek you can with a prop on an aircrfat engine and thats where the danger lies, also helicopters have a lot mroe workign parts, and the more parts the more their is to go wrong......(just look at the head of a helicopter, its pretty complex) then compare that to the servo linkage from servo to control horn on a plane(extremely simple)

Lastly as far as cost goes it shard to compare because helis range from $400 dollars to $3000(as far as nitro and small gas goes) and planes range from $200 to $7000. Its all about size certainyl the biggest helis cost less than the biggest planes, but the smallest helis cost more than the smallest planes. One again you cannot compare the two.

And thats basically what this is all about they are two totally different things, however i think they are both exciting and fun and there is always something new to learn.

Im just trying to speak for both sides and defend my first love.

Just my .50 cents

and yes i repeated myself a few times.

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12-01-2005 09:43 PM  12 years agoPost 36
Nanuk

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It is all a bit of fun, i dont like fixed wings, i find them dangerous, unsafe, and unpredictable, and the level of skill that goes into building them is not as high as a hellie.
Mspot72 you must have never built a plank from a kit. I'm not talking about an ARF kit but one that's just full of wood that you have to trim sand and work on for weeks. My last stick built plane took me somewhere around sixty hours to complete. My first build from a kit heli (rap 30) took me about eight hours.I fly both and how you can make the statement you made about fixed wings being dangerous, unsafe and unpredictable is silly.
Go buy yourself a true airplane kit, build it and then see which is harder.
Heli's are nothing to put together and make fly good. They may be harder to learn to fly, I will give you that but the rest of the statement that I quoted from you is silly.

Nanuk

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12-01-2005 10:52 PM  12 years agoPost 37
jfint

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The reason that heli's and fixed wings collide at my home field is for two reasons.

1. For some reason heli pilots feel the need to chase their aircraft around. I don't understand this, but then I'm just an intermediat heli pilot. At any rate, heli pilots feel the need to completely ignore pilot boxes and walk all over the runway. Since we have a smaller field this means that only two helicopters can be in the air at once, and absolutely no plane can fly while a heli is in the air --> Airplane people get pissed!

2. Airplanes flightpaths through take off and landing take them through the two helicopter flight "boxes"(not pilot boxes) At any rate this is another reason that helicopters and plane cannot fly together.

What this all means is that if some wants to get 3 or 4 flights in with their helicopter, then there is a good solid hour in the mornign when no one can fly there plane. Peopal get anoyed when 1 person can affectively tie up the entire field for about 1/5 of the availiable flight time in a day(we have wind issues in afternoon)

Anyone have a solution, i can tell you what has happend. I am the only helicopter pilot that frequents this field, and I try to limit my flights to about 5-10 minutes at a time and twice maybe 3 times a day, only during everyone elses breaks anyway. This works for me because I also have a couple planes to fly with everyone else. It didn't work for the other heli pilots, and i only see them once every so often at a club event.

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12-01-2005 11:28 PM  12 years agoPost 38
Jeff Greunke

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We have no special rules other than when someone yells :Landing, you give them the room they need. It's basically a free for all with the understanding that pilots (Heli and Plane) need to communicate with the other pilots in the air. Pilots not flying need to make sure that they pass messages down the flight line so everyone knows what's going on. Yes there will always be someone who doesn't follow the rules or they just don't know how to fly. It's mostly common sense, not an attribute every poseses. So far we have not had any mid airs with Heli vs Planes Now planes and Helis vs ground that's another story

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01-08-2006 01:07 AM  12 years agoPost 39
SUB RAPTOR

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i got a combat wing so that i could relax and have some fun, boy is this thing fun, i've crashed lots of time and all you do is go over, pick it up and throw it back up again. but for all out fun there's nothing better than a bit of air combat , three or four wing. its very hard to hit someone but when you do, oh man what a rush, then see who can recover

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01-14-2006 02:39 PM  12 years agoPost 40
TRex888

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Although not RC this is the only thing harder to fly than a heli http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/p...pack/index.html

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