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11-08-2005 10:27 PM  12 years agoPost 21
smokin

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Got Mine Today

The new frame set looks awesome! I can't wait to get started with the build-out.

Hey PDF, thanks for the link, that was just what I was looking for. I think the HubDave belt assembly WILL fit, but it may require some additional modifications. Not to the frame of course, but to the way the boom is clamped with the belt kit.

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11-13-2005 01:56 AM  12 years agoPost 22
tstanfill

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can someone tell me what size screws to get to mount all the servos and tail boom etc to this frame. also....where is a good place online to get them.

the frame is so sweeeet!
can't wait to finish this beast.

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11-13-2005 02:42 PM  12 years agoPost 23
gorn

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That was the biggest problem I had with this frame.........finding screws to mount the servo's lol.
Thankfully I found enough in my parts box and off another heli to do the job.
As for the size.........well I could measure one for you, but I have no idea if they are an imperial or metric sizing, so it may not be much good to you.

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11-13-2005 06:51 PM  12 years agoPost 24
smokin

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1.7mm metric Cap Head bolts fit all the threaded parts. BTW, I installed the HubDave belt drive kit, it fits if you do this mod to the elevator arms http://www.cuttingedgecnc.com/shogun400.htm . Very tight fit, but so far so good.

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11-13-2005 08:40 PM  12 years agoPost 25
tstanfill

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would that be the same as M2 size???

can't find 1.7mm anywhere

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11-14-2005 04:51 AM  12 years agoPost 26
smokin

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Oops, you're right. M2....

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11-16-2005 02:06 AM  12 years agoPost 27
ShellDude

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got mine today... very professional/precise finish. Looks like everything should come together nicely.

My only concern is with my X400 belt drive upgrade (same one you can get from HeliDirect). I may need to remove the rear reinforcement bar to make room for the belt.

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11-16-2005 02:16 AM  12 years agoPost 28
gorn

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I removed my rear reinforcement bar to clear the elevator linkage on my Heliup belt upgrade.
When its all together, the chassis is so stiff I dont think it makes any difference

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11-18-2005 05:31 AM  12 years agoPost 29
ShellDude

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I have run into a little snag. The HeliDirect Elevator Bar shown below
as part of the Belt Drive upgrade is rubbing up against the upper main drive bearing assembly on the Tititanium frame. It needs a mere 1mm additional clearance I'm not sure I like the idea of boring out the holes for the main shaft assembly so that I can get it to fit.

What is the recommended Elevator assembly for this body? I'd rather go with what works vs what looks nice but doesn't.

Any help is appreciated,
Shell

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11-18-2005 11:02 PM  12 years agoPost 30
ShellDude

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FWIW I was able to solve my clearance problem by dremelling the hell outta the bottom of the upper main bearing holder on the frame and the two eyelits protruding from the center of the elevator arm.

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11-19-2005 03:40 AM  12 years agoPost 31
gorn

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The recommended belt drive was the Heliup one.
Thats what I went with, but Im still having a few issues with it.
My problem is trying to stop the whole elevator assembly from being able to be pushed left or right, pivoting around the main shaft.
Iva had to use 4 washers between the chassis plates so far, and that stopped one side from being able to move, but the other side still is able to move a small amount when pushed. That small amount will mean a big movement in the air, and Im tearing my hair out!
Now maybe if I just weld the damn thing..........yeah yeah.......that'll teach the sucker..........
Heli fever.

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11-19-2005 08:18 AM  12 years agoPost 32
ShellDude

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Bummer about your elevator. Mine is quite snug.. only slop in the system is from the cheap servo I'm using.

I'd already been using the other belt conversion ... the dremeling wasn't that big of a deal after all... I did remove a bit of aluminum but you'd never see it given where its at.

I did my first test flights tonight... very minimal stuff... got tail problems, as usual, but I'll have that straightened out soon enough.

666 grams AUW
Align 400LF w/ Align 35A ESC - 11T

It'll definitely 3D...

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11-19-2005 03:51 PM  12 years agoPost 33
smokin

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Ti Frame Problems

First off, I really like this frame. I am looking forward to getting it flying, and there lies the rub. I have some questions I hope either Mr Carbon or one of you guys that bought one may have answers to.

1. The stock plastic elevator arms won’t clear the upper bearing support block. The arms hit both fore and aft at only a few degrees of pivot. I hesitate to modify the block; I thought this frame was designed to accept stock V1 parts. It sounds like the HeliUp CNC aluminum arms don't fit either. Does anyone know what part to use here?

2. The hold down screws for the bearing blocks have inconsistent hex head recesses. Some are 1mm and some are smaller! I am unable to tighten them all the way down since I don’t have a hex key small enough to fit, anyone else have this problem?

3. ShellDude, since you finished assembly and had a successful test flight with this frame, have you got any pictures/video you could share? It would be nice to see how things go together.

I've been exceedingly lazy in not taking pictures of my build-out, I'll have to remedy that and populate my gallery soon.

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11-19-2005 06:28 PM  12 years agoPost 34
ShellDude

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It just so happens I do have a build thread with a few pictures, not much activity though.. guess cause I made it in General.

http://runryder.com/helicopter/t214379p1/

Something doesn't sound right with your setup. I could've used the stock plastic elevator assembly... at one point I even had it all together with it but ultimately bit the bullet and went with my CNC one. The plastic assembly would have fit with no modifications had I not had the belt drive.

I had similar issues with the small hex screws. I ended up removing them and using some M2x16mm screws I got from Modefo's some time ago. They don't recess completely, but at the same time don't cause any clearance issues either.

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11-19-2005 06:50 PM  12 years agoPost 35
smokin

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ShellDude,

Thanks for the link, lookin' good! I'll swap-out thosee hold-down screws like you did. I have a HeliUp belt drive kit coming, looks like you cracked the code shoehorning yours in so I'll just wait for it to arrive and replace the HubDave parts with that.

I have been trying to get that HubDave belt kit to work, and I think it would have if I used the HeliUp elevator arms in place of the stock ones, but then why bother? I'm still scratching my head over those stock elevator arms not fitting. Oh well, all that stuff will just go back into my HubDave modified frame and I'll soon have two flying Shoguns! S'all good...

Thanks,
smokin

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11-19-2005 07:17 PM  12 years agoPost 36
ShellDude

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I don't dare post a picture of what I had to do to the underside of the upper bearing assembly and the inner horns on the elevator arm.

Shoehorning it is an understatement

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11-20-2005 03:07 AM  12 years agoPost 37
gorn

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I also had those problems with the hex screws on the bearing blocks.
I just barely managed to get em tight enough to use, but I will definately be getting some better screws in the near future.

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11-20-2005 01:54 PM  12 years agoPost 38
smokin

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1. The stock plastic elevator arms won’t clear the upper bearing support block. The arms hit both fore and aft at only a few degrees of pivot.
DOH! I realized after looking at it again that I had installed the newly modified stock plastic elevator arms upside down! Moot point now, I received the HeliUp belt drive kit yesterday and the new arms fit beautifully with no modifications at all. The bird is now ready for final trimming.

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11-24-2005 07:37 PM  12 years agoPost 39
ShellDude

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Something else to watch out for is the battery extension. It can bend very easily and its only a matter of time till it creates a fracture and breaks in two.

I prevented this on mine by using two 3mm carbon rods cut to about an inch and a half in length CA welded onto both sides of the underside of the battery extension.

Its considerably stronger now and I need not fear of it breaking.

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