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10-09-2005 08:21 PM  12 years agoPost 1
u.k. sailor

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Would someone who has experience of both the Vigor and the Fury Extreme like to give their relative merits including reliability and repair costs as well as relative flight comparisons.
I have two Furys and am considering getting a Vibe if it ever becomes available or a second hand CS if I can find one at the right price, any advise would be appreciated

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10-09-2005 09:08 PM  12 years agoPost 2
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I went back from MA. I now have a VigorCS. I feel the the vigor/Vibe line is a smooth choice. The Fury Line is Awsome, but to many parts and it flys to fast. I dont get the feel that Im doing the manuvers with a Fury. The Vigor I do. Cool thing about the Vigor all the part will mix and match with the Vibe.

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10-09-2005 09:47 PM  12 years agoPost 3
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Do you mean the Vibe will support the vigor in terms of spare parts?
When you say too fast do you mean twitchy, FFF, or in what way do you mean this? does it just feel more locked in than the Fury?

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10-09-2005 10:25 PM  12 years agoPost 4
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More locked, yeah something like that. The Fury is like a Redhead Stepchild. Yes the part will be interchangable. Anthony Jager said, that the Vibe flys like the Fury, but has the smoothness of a Vigor. You cant beat that.

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10-10-2005 02:42 AM  12 years agoPost 5
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Well I went the other way Vigor to fury and I like the speed ( It fly fast when asked to), and I like the tightness of the flips forward and backward, the vigor hard to time right and thight, the fury makes me look good.
Both are very stable machine, you can fall asleep hovering.
Roll rate is about the same from what I can tell (I do 3D but I am not that great...yet, wishful thinking)
I was impressed by the quality of the fit on the fury, the vigor was hard to fit for a 91 (the Vibe if it ever gets here should fit better), the parts quality on the fury are much better.
Yes the Fury is a bit more expensive but that is all you will ever need no upgrade needed it is all there.
Hope that helps
I am wondering why you want to change?

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10-10-2005 07:28 AM  12 years agoPost 6
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I own CS and Tempest (not extreme) - For me I would have to agree with Rogue123 and totally disagree with puttputtmaru. I have a friend that moved from his Tempest to Raptor for same reason as per Rogue123.

This is just my opinion bases on how I like a heli to feel. A lot of people wil agree and a lot wil disagree - if you can test fly each.

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10-10-2005 01:32 PM  12 years agoPost 7
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I have both and enjoy each. The Vigor has better part fit and simple to maintain but needs a change of pinion gear to it to run a 91 engine. The Extreme is a 91 machine with more parts but is light and fast. If you can afford to wait, get the Vibe. Both are expensive to crash but fun to fly over other 91 machines (IMO).

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10-10-2005 02:27 PM  12 years agoPost 8
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I had a Tempest FAI, but never got to fly it. I currently own 3 Vigor CS's, all with most, if not all, the mods the Vibe will have when it hits the streets. And, I intend to continue flying the Vigors for the forseeable future and, when parts start becoming a problem, then I will consider the Vibe (if it ever comes out).

Somebody in the thread mentioned the 9 and 10T pinions should you want to go up to a .91. That is absolutely correct, however you have to remember that the Vigor was originally designed as a 60 sized heli and, quite honestly, I think it is a tribute to the Vigor that, with very little modification, a "big block" can be installed and very successfully flown. I also think that several of the problems that surfaced with the Vigor over the past several years either ocurred or were exacerbated by the higher powered engines.

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"There are those who have...and, those who will" IRCHA #2117, AMA #70068, Turbine Waiver #105

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10-10-2005 08:06 PM  12 years agoPost 9
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What would i need to look at or do if I bought a second hand Vigor and planned to fit a 90 engine. obviously all helis have problems and issues of one sort or another. I have read here about is it the pinion? wearing within the clutch. I agree that it is testament to the vigor that it has stood up so well to 90 power but the Vibe has been beefed up in some areas as I understand it, so what problems might I encounter?

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10-10-2005 10:11 PM  12 years agoPost 10
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UK Sailor,

To fit a 90 you just need to change the pinion to get the 8.4:1 gear ratio. However I recommend you upgrade the tail rotor gearbox to the metal one (http://www.rotarsoft.com plug!) as the plastic one gets a bit fragile with the 90 engines.. apart from that most parts are pretty much bullet proof.

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Mark

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10-10-2005 10:17 PM  12 years agoPost 11
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Mark,

If fitting an OS91, would you recommend 8:1 (88:11) or the 8.4 ratio (84:10)? Currently got the latter ratio with my Webra 75AAR but am thinking of putting a OS91 in my second VCS.

I guess it depends on the kind of headspeed you want to run, generally I hear OS's prefer 8:1 with YS 8.4:1 but would value your opinion and what headspeed works best for 3D and hence the best ratio for OSs.

Cheers,
David

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Dyna-x, Knight 503D, Logo 10,
TRex 500, Furion, Gaui EP200

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10-10-2005 10:24 PM  12 years agoPost 12
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I have a 10x radio and think the model i am thinking of buying is built for 120 ccpm, are the longer arms all I need and do you think that it will be possible to keep this bird in the air okay in view of it becoming discontinued?
At 8.4:1 would the YS be a better engine than OS?

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10-10-2005 10:26 PM  12 years agoPost 13
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David,

Theoretically 8.0:1 is the ideal and should be quieter than 8.4:1.. but to be brutally honest I've run both and they were both fine. I would be more than happy to run 8.4:1 if I didn't have the ability to fit the 8.0:1 parts. We've got such an excess of power with the modern 90 engines that it's really not such a big deal unless you're scraping for the last ounce of power. If you were given 2 machines with the different ratios I doubt anyone but Curtis could tell you which was which...

Cheers

Mark

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10-10-2005 10:26 PM  12 years agoPost 14
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Also I could use an OS70 how would that be with the sixty gearing? rather than fitting the 90

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10-10-2005 10:31 PM  12 years agoPost 15
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UK Sailor,

JR keep parts backup for discontinued machines for a minimum of 5 years.. and as a lot of parts are shared with the Vibe... well.. you can see it's not going to be an issue for a long time to come. The Ergo range has been out of supply for a while now and parts are still easily available for them. The Japanese have a good reputation with supporting older machines.

To change from 120 CCPm to 140 CCPm all you need it to put the longer balls on the swashplate and reposition the "T levers".. you will also need to make up the different links.. if you don't get these with the machine the parts are readily available and don't cost much. Part numbers can be found in the manual (if supplied!) or from MacGregors website in the exploded diagrams.

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Mark

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10-10-2005 10:32 PM  12 years agoPost 16
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UK Sailor,

OS 70 will run great with the stock 9:1 gear ratio.

Cheers

Mark

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10-10-2005 10:38 PM  12 years agoPost 17
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Thanks for that mark do you think the Vibe will ever happen? just your opinion I know and if so would it be worth waiting for it rather than getting a second hand vigor?

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10-10-2005 10:42 PM  12 years agoPost 18
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Ok word from the horses mouth is that the delivery date has been moved forwards back to November from December.. I don't know why it has been delayed so much... but they wouldn't have done it for a laugh or on purpose.. there must have been a very good reason.. tooling issue.. or bad parts supply.. anyway.. I have been informed that they will be available to the UK distributor in November.. guess we'll just have to sit tight and see if it happens.

Cheers

Mark

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10-10-2005 11:02 PM  12 years agoPost 19
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Good man thanks for not ducking the question as you say we will have to waait and see

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10-11-2005 12:04 AM  12 years agoPost 20
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u.k sailor why don't you ask the same question in the MA thread to get both side of the coin?

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