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HelicopterSafety - RC Helis are not toys › Pics in new heli Magazine
10-09-2005 03:16 AM  12 years agoPost 1
JeepCJ

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Picked up the first issue of a new heli magazine. Was a little concerned when I saw them demonstate blades being out of track. While holding it in the air with their hand, while the head was spinning full tilt. Granted, it was a micro electric, but I still think it sends the wrong messege, maybe more so to the new guy just starting out, but still scary that they would publish a pic like that. Just me thought.

Bob

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10-09-2005 10:04 AM  12 years agoPost 2
wolfdad

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Bob,
This is a subject that continues to re-surface time and time again, however you are absolutely correct in your assessment. NO heli should either be tied down or, under any circumstances be held while attempting to turn the aircraft. BTW, those little micro heli's, from what I have seen would be like little piranha's with those carbon blades should one get loose on you.

Now, Bob, I am willing to bet that, if we visit this forum tomorrow at precisely the same time, there will be no less than 3 pages and probably close to 100 post/replies on the thread with every imaginable opinion being expressed.

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10-09-2005 05:16 PM  12 years agoPost 3
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There will no doubt be alot of replies to this post in the near future.

And I'm sure that, as in past discussions, there will still be a small percentage that endorse this type of behavior or don't understand why it's not safe.

Micro-Electric or not, blades spinning at high RPM's and holding/placing the heli in close proximity to your body is not a safe or wise combination!


Cop: Sir, have you been drinking? Driver: Why? Is there a fat girl in my backseat?

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10-09-2005 05:51 PM  12 years agoPost 4
mdm

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What heli mag was it in?

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10-11-2005 01:20 AM  12 years agoPost 5
TMoore

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The picture in the new mag was ultra stupid.

The first time a head comes apart from someone doing that, sayonara eyes, cheek, nose or your life. One of these little flying roaches can inflict more damage than I care to think about and this is with the wooden blades too. Imagine what the carbons can do.

This is what you get when the magazine is too slick for prime time.

I fly my TRex close on ocassion but what you don't see is the head speed of 1600 rpm and that little thing called experience-28 years of it.

TM

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10-15-2005 12:55 PM  12 years agoPost 6
zoom boy

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Its not a 30, as long as the plain of the rotor disk isnt inline with any part of a person then it should be reasonably safe.

The blades will go only in the plain of travel of the disk, so aslong as your eyes (or any other part of your body) then it should be ok.

(similar to the precautions taken when starting a plane with regard to the prop, dont stand in line with the plain of it)

I probably sound like airwolf here, but the attitude seems a little alarmist here.

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10-15-2005 02:09 PM  12 years agoPost 7
TMoore

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If you hold even a little electric in your hand to track the blades and the thing glitches, where does it go? When I first started flying the Rex, antenna placement was not optimal and it glitched until I got it sorted. I didn't even consider holding a TRex in my hand to track the blades because it came off the bench in perfect track w/o a pitch gage.

Holding any heli, even an electric, in your hand and running it up isn't kosher, IMHO.

TM

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10-15-2005 02:49 PM  12 years agoPost 8
rckrzy1

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I like the must have tool list , the piston breaking tool.



Wildcat Fuels

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10-15-2005 04:50 PM  12 years agoPost 9
TMoore

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Not to mention the Skytach. This is definitely a must have essential for anyone starting out.

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10-15-2005 05:25 PM  12 years agoPost 10
JeepCJ

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I would think that anyone in the hobby for awhile, knows what tools they need, and someone just starting out, needs a local expert, and fuel, more than spending all his money on that stuff!

Bob

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10-15-2005 05:29 PM  12 years agoPost 11
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which mag is this its new i take it where published?

TO CRASH OR NOT TO CRASH

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10-15-2005 06:18 PM  12 years agoPost 12
zoom boy

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If you hold even a little electric in your hand to track the blades and the thing glitches, where does it go?
Not really that different to if its on the ground and you lean down to track them now is it (unless you use binoculars and are a hundred metres away) from what I have seen most people (the ones I've SEEN in person) stand no more than about 15' from an electric and about 30' from an IC, tracking a model while holding it means the blades are in line with the persons eyes so that is a bad idea.

But holding a micro-electric IMO is useful and safe aslong as you dont have the plain of the blades pointed at a body part (which rules out tracking naturally) however you can set up things like throttle curves, and revo mixing, you would be able to feel the torque change and sort that out.

If you know what you are doing and you know what you can reasonably expect, then IMO its safe enough for me.

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10-15-2005 06:34 PM  12 years agoPost 13
TMoore

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would think that anyone in the hobby for awhile, knows what tools they need, and someone just starting out, needs a local expert, and fuel, more than spending all his money on that stuff!
BINGO!!

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10-15-2005 06:40 PM  12 years agoPost 14
JeepCJ

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I would never be comfortable holding on to any heli while trying to track the blades. While concentrating on which little blade was high, or low, I could not devote the attention needed to react quick enough when the rotor disk does something I am not prepared for.
As far as being confident on my abilities, I will rely on caution anyday over confidence. I guess what I am trying to say is. If there is any possibility that something could happen, Why would you take the risk,
As long as you believe you are doing in the safest manner possible, thats what counts.


Bob

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10-15-2005 10:00 PM  12 years agoPost 15
Sar

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shooting glasses and a chain mail hood, it'll be ok

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10-16-2005 10:01 AM  12 years agoPost 16
enginetorque

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OOOOOOOOOh yes - these little leccy buggers can bite - my advice is to use three mirrors - wear a full wet suit and goggles - stand 3 blocks away and plug into a video link........:-)

seriously though - don't do it - a flybar paddle flew off my Hornet once and went straight through a door..........think about THAT!

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10-16-2005 05:45 PM  12 years agoPost 17
TMoore

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seriously though - don't do it - a flybar paddle flew off my Hornet once and went straight through a door..........think about THAT!
That is precisely the point, the knuckleheads that published the magazine didn't think it was a big deal due to serious lack of experience. When you go from cars running around in dirt or on pavement to something that is airborne the paradigm shifts. Safety has to be on everyones mind. This is no different than someone strapping a heli to a step ladder and tuning the engine under it with a hard hat on.

TM

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10-16-2005 06:05 PM  12 years agoPost 18
fitenfyr

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Hmmm..

So avoid all the speculation and track them with the pitch guage on the bench when you are doing the setup.

Never had mine more than 1/2 turn out doing it that way. Quick shut down, a twist and all is better.

I don't have a micro electric these days, but I don't see why that wouldn't work.

Anyone here give thought to the idea that cameras do LIE?

That a 500 rpm headspeed in a magazine photo could look EXACTLY the same as a 5000rpm?

Or that a helicopter seemingly 2' from a mans leg is really 15 or more feet away and the compression of the lens has made it look that way?

Common sense is still the first line of defense and if you don't have that you shouldn't be playing with model aircraft.
Go back to crayons and coloring books.

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11-19-2005 11:20 PM  12 years agoPost 19
webbhost

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published in "rc heli" magazine.

Looks very dangerous, i wont be trying it, as i have never had stiches in my hand and i never want them either.

They also mention about burning the last bit of fuel in your tank before you put your heli away too (which i was told is a bad idea at the club, because you are going to dry out your engine?) Apart from that thruogh, it does look like a good magazine and could be very useful in future.

meh

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11-20-2005 04:41 AM  12 years agoPost 20
kileak

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I only spool mine up hand held with the main blades removed, and even then I hold it well above eye level. It would be way too scary with the main blades on I think.

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