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10-09-2005 02:42 AM  12 years agoPost 1
x-planker

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i can hover inverted nose in and tail in only for a short period of time before loosing it. i can make corrections to the machine but when i fly backwards inverted i screw up! i can fly nose in upright no problem but i get nervous when the heli starts moving in a direction i don't want it to . can anyone steer me in the right direction.

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10-09-2005 02:47 AM  12 years agoPost 2
Heli-Driver

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PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE and then practice so more... Flight sim helps too.



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10-09-2005 02:52 AM  12 years agoPost 3
Cy Paul

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Keep Practicing Kev!


Nose in inverted what ever side goes down move the stick in that direction... Other than that practice.................

Yo I'll be in town tomorrow.. Maybe we'll hookup and SIM..

Call me, you punk! hahahahaha

Later

Cy

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Aurora,
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10-09-2005 04:30 AM  12 years agoPost 4
rcnuts

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Dude!! I hear ya loud and clear, as I have similar problems. Im flying some pretty hard 3-d, some fairly low to the ground. No sweat on that, but inverted flying just has a weird feel to it. When Heli-Driver says to practice, that’s about the only advise that makes sense. If you get to much altitude, you cant see the heli. Too low, and your that much closer to making an "unintentional high speed landing"! NO GOOD!!
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10-09-2005 01:44 PM  12 years agoPost 5
Leif

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Simulator practice is the key if you've been losing orientation. You should DEFINITELY be able to hold an inverted hover without losing orientation before attempting inverted backwards flight.

Inverted forward flight is similar to flying a plank inverted, except you need to control the tail. This is one of those orientations where you move the sticks in opposite directions... both sticks to the center or both sticks to the outside.

Once you've flown the four main orientations, you'll find that there are only two possible combinations for the rudder stick v.s. cyclic. You either push them in the same direction, or in opposing directions. Of course, sideways flight orientations are a different story as you're working the fore/aft cyclic together with rudder.

Leif

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10-09-2005 03:42 PM  12 years agoPost 6
zoom boy

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Nose in inverted what ever side goes down move the stick in that direction... Other than that practice.................
Nope, if the nose goes down while nose in inverted, you push the stick away from you, pulling it down (pulling up) will make it go down even faster and the heli will suddenly get very big and noisy

Inverted forwards is the same as upright backwards, sticks together or apart and a bit of forward cyclic for a turn.

Inverted backwards is the same as upright forwards, sticks both to the left or both to the right and a bit of back stick for a turn.

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10-09-2005 05:32 PM  12 years agoPost 7
TMoore

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Somehow "hard 3-d" and "weird feel" don't go together in the same paragraph.

With my limited knowledge of the subject I have to believe that someone that is doing "hard 3-d" close to the ground should probably get over that "weird feel" before the heli bites them in a weird spot.

JMHO, I could be wrong,

TM

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10-09-2005 05:48 PM  12 years agoPost 8
dankers

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Its a good thing to pick up on, I picked up on it too. Learn to fly in all the attitudes before "progressing" or you will have to go back and unlearn a lot of bad habbits. You aren't *flying* hard 3D you are repeating stick movements for the moves. The two are real different, for example watch Szabo prioflip Vs someone who just stirs the sticks, one is flying the heli, the other is repeating the stick moves and hoping it works.

I'm currently going back and learning correctly and learning how to make corrections all the time in every attitude, its hard. But its nothing more than practice, you might be looking for a secret trick to this but there isn't one.

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10-09-2005 06:06 PM  12 years agoPost 9
Glenn in Den

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What helps me is concentrating on the nose when inverted. The nose will go where the right stick goes (up and down, that is). That works whether you're tail in, nose in or any config, as long as you're inverted.

Just concentrate on the nose.



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10-09-2005 07:20 PM  12 years agoPost 10
ErichF

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Glenn has a good point...

I read that an orientation aid the Curtis used was to understand that, in any attitude, pulling on the stick pulls the nose INTO the blades.

So, keep that mantra flowing through your head when your inverted...if the nose dips, PUSH the nose away from the blades. If it bobs up, then PULL the nose into the blades. It works tail in and nose in.

Hope this helps...practice this on the sim. Don't worry if people look at you funny as you chant, "pull into the blades...push away from the blades...pull into the blades...push away from the blades..."


Erich

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10-09-2005 08:04 PM  12 years agoPost 11
vaportrail OLD

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I've been using the 'pull into/away the blades' trick for a while and it works great. My problem is left/right. I've tried the 'muffler into/away the blades' but that doesn't work as well for me.


The real point of terrorism is not the act itself, but our reaction to the act.

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10-09-2005 09:06 PM  12 years agoPost 12
Glenn in Den

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I find that trying to come up with a memory aid for every scenario just makes you over-think it, fail and become discouraged.

If you get the one "plane" down and locked (meaning you use the ONE rule of "watch the nose" or "nose to blades") then just practice and let left or right come by itself.

So what I do when practicing inverted circuits and hovering is to concentrate on the fact that the nose will follow the stick up and down. I correct left and right on more of a subconscious level and just get the "feel" for which way does what.

At least that's how it's starting to shape up for me. If you try to "compartmentalize" or structure everything too much, you might get there eventually, but you'll suffer a lot along the way.

I'm not fully there yet but these techniques are working for me right now.

When learning something new and difficult, I find that things just eventually "pop" in place all of a sudden, but only after a longer struggling phase. When I was learning real flying for my pilot's license I had trouble with the final approach. The instructor said ONE stupid little thing and that POP came right away. He said "use the throttle to control your altitude and the elevator to control your speed." That might not work for everyone but as soon as I concentrated on it that way every landing from then on was a "greaser."



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