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10-08-2005 12:09 AM  12 years agoPost 1
superstallion

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why is the sceadu so sloppy compare to the raptor. 3rd bearing block is a must on the v1, so why did the manufacturer put it on the market without it. the tail is very sloppy compare to the raptor, I was told by one person that it will straighten out when spooling up. I also notice that some sceadu owners are switching to raptor(evidence from runryder classified) even the person that I bought my used sceadu from was willing to trade for a raptor .50.

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10-08-2005 12:34 AM  12 years agoPost 2
helitroll

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I normally do not jump into negative posts regarding a brand of heli. I have flown many different types of helis. I no longer fly a Sceadu/Freya because they became sloppy with time. I could not even blame crashes on the Sceadu. I have had a Raptor and currently fly a Century Raven. The linkages are the problem. The more links/balls you have, the more possible slop you have. The Evo helps this with the push pull system. My Raven is CCPM and has direct servo to swash connection. This really decreases the slop. It also makes it very easy to find if it does develop slop. Every heli has strengths. Setup is 90% of the heli anyway. I just outgrew my Sceadu. To improve your slop, go to the push/pull (Evo) or replace the balls/ball links.

p.s. I did not find the slop in the tail to be a problem. Mine held fine for my level of flying at the time. That included some backward flying.

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10-08-2005 02:52 AM  12 years agoPost 3
mudbogger2

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those rappy v1's are real gems too..... clutch breaks, wah-wah's, woof and poof, tail baldes slinging. Shall I continue. The Evo's have been improved and you will not find a better flying .50 IMO. Any heli regardless of brand will develop slop in the control system over time due to wear.

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10-08-2005 03:22 AM  12 years agoPost 4
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superstallion

the tail is very sloppy compare to the raptor, I was told by one person that it will straighten out when spooling up. I also notice that some sceadu owners are switching to raptor(evidence from runryder classified) even the person that I bought my used sceadu from was willing to trade for a raptor .50.
LOL...So....are you asking how to repair your obviously neglected little sceadu..??

Or is this a feeble attempt to compare the Evo and the raptor.??

Because I can post links to a handful of threads here on RR on that topic....
its been done.........and the consensus favors the Evo.

So clarify what your asking.

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10-08-2005 03:36 AM  12 years agoPost 5
mkeigwin

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so why do i have all of these if they are pos . will never go back to the raptors you only have to spend big $$$$ to get to fly as good as one of these . out of the box . try the swm big diff in the way it fly's

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10-08-2005 05:33 AM  12 years agoPost 6
rdalcanto

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the tail is very sloppy compare to the raptor, I was told by one person that it will straighten out when spooling up.
The Sceadu has thrust bearings. The cheap Raptor only has radial bearings. The sceadu is a better heli in every way. I'm willing to bet far more people switch from Raptor to EVO than the other way around. Most people that buy Raptors are beginners that don't know any better.... I flew my EVO 50 so much I completly wore out the EX slide block I had put on, and the swashplate. Despite the wear and the slop that developed because of it, it still tracker perfectly in fast forward flight (upright, upside down, backwards, etc). Flew much better than my Raptor 50 ever did new with no worn out parts.
If you really did buy a used Sceadu, once you fly it, you'll see how much better it is that the Raptor 30 with wood blades you have listed in your profile.

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10-09-2005 07:12 AM  12 years agoPost 7
RCHeliJim

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The cheap Raptor only has radial bearings. The sceadu is a better heli in every way. I'm willing to bet far more people switch from Raptor to EVO than the other way around. Most people that buy Raptors are beginners that don't know any better
Positive people in the hobby spend their time building up the proucts they represent instead of ripping on the others, thats a polticians move.

Anyways, why dont some of you Hirobo guys give up the silly "Evos are perfect, you are the problem" stuff and give guys some useful advice? I have noticed far too many threads with Evo problems (yes they have problems at times too) where 90% of the responses rip on the guy and other helis - drop the egos for a second and help the guys out - thats what makes the hobby great. The Elitism has become tiring.

On to the question at hand:

The Sceadu tail seems to work fine, the slop is the thrust bearings - normal thing, there may be some worn parts in yours if it isnt working correctly. Give it a try and see. It seems from your post that you havent flown the bird yet, give it a lookover and fly it and report back if you ahve any problems.

As far as all the comments like the one I quoted, just skip them as you will get little real help from those types of posts. Comments like: "Most people that buy Raptors are beginners that don't know any better" are useless except for trolling. I know rdalcanto and he is a great guy, but some of his posts are a little overboard on the "Raptors Suck" motif. If they truly sucked, they wouldnt sell like they do - and dont tell me its the price (there is only a $20 or so difference between an Evo and a Raptor). Anyways, fly what you like and have the common respect to let others do the same



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10-09-2005 02:02 PM  12 years agoPost 8
Leif

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superstallion: why is the sceadu so sloppy compare to the raptor. 3rd bearing block is a must on the v1, so why did the manufacturer put it on the market without it. the tail is very sloppy compare to the raptor...
Just like the Raptor, the Sceadu has a second version called the Sceadu Evolution. We just call it the Evo. The third bearing block and bearing on the main shaft are standard with the Evo. There is NO need for a third bearing block on the tail counter-shaft, although some people feel like adding one since there's holes in the frame to accomodate one.

The loose tail grips are that way by design. The combination of a radial bearing and a thrust bearing provide good centering and very strong grips. I've never heard of an inflight grip failure not related to hitting the ground on an Evo. There is an upgrade path to the grips from the Freya, which adds a second radial bearing in addition to increasing the tail diameter by 17mm.

Neither of these observations has any impact on flight characteristics. The biggest difference in the Evo compared to the original Sceadu is the design of the head. This alone is worth the upgrade cost.

As for people switching models, even guys with Furys, Vigors and Avants will probably go out and buy a different heli now and then. Diversity gives us more experience and enjoyment.

It is a hobby for most of us.

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10-09-2005 02:19 PM  12 years agoPost 9
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On to the question at hand:
What question??..he's not asking a question...he's complainig about a Heli he knows nothing about!...and comparing it to his raptor.
Anyways, why dont some of you Hirobo guys give up the silly "Evos are perfect, you are the problem" stuff and give guys some useful advice? I have noticed far too many threads with Evo problems (yes they have problems at times too) where 90% of the responses rip on the guy and other helis - drop the egos for a second and help the guys out - thats what makes the hobby great. The Elitism has become tiring.
Do you actually think he would have gotten the type's of responces he got if he was asking a honest question?...or even a actual question ?..his post is nothing more than a sarcastic complaint.

Take the time to read his post carefully, and you will see why he got the reply's that he did.

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10-09-2005 03:15 PM  12 years agoPost 10
rdalcanto

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I know rdalcanto and he is a great guy, but some of his posts are a little overboard on the "Raptors Suck" motif. If they truly sucked, they wouldnt sell like they do - and dont tell me its the price (there is only a $20 or so difference between an Evo and a Raptor). Anyways, fly what you like and have the common respect to let others do the same
I'm sorry if I was too harsh. I actually toned it down a lot from what I had written originally. But as Big Cheese stated, I was replying to the very negative tone in the original post, on a Hirobo forum, which slammed the Sceadu and asked why the quality isn't as good as the Raptor

I used to own a Raptor 50, have flown several others as well as Raptor 70s, and have yet to fly one that flies decent. Perhaps I can fly yours and you can change my mind about Raptors. I think they are so popular because they were the first on the block with a decent, low price heli, and everyone stocks them now. They have a firm hold of the plastic market and it will take time for that to change, regardless of how good the competition is in comparison, especially since a lot of folks who fly Raptors and sing their praises have never flown anything else. Don't get me wrong, other pilots do the same with the brand they first happened to start with too, there just aren't as many of them.

EVOs are not perfect. Although they fly perfect out of the box, the stock slide block and swashplate wear quickly. The good news for those that don't want to spend more money later, is that the head design is so good that the heli doesn't get pitchy even as the slop increases from wear in those two parts.

Anyway, sorry if I ruffled some feathers/rotors.
Rick

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10-09-2005 05:32 PM  12 years agoPost 11
RCHeliJim

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Do you actually think he would have gotten the type's of responces he got if he was asking a honest question?
YES - I have seen a large amount of people with honest problems with the Sceadu get responded to in this exact manner. And if you read his post carefully, his first sentence is a question (he may have omitted the ?).

Also, just because someone posted something negative about a Sceadu, does that mean all these guys need to sink to the same level and bash a Raptor? Doesnt make sense to me, but sink away
EVOs are not perfect. Although they fly perfect out of the box
So does every other decent heli out there, as long as the setup was doen correctly Dont worry Rick, you didnt ruffle my feathers at all - I have flown both types of helis just like you. I make these posts to try and help the reading newbie know that this forum isnt completely about "BRAND WARS" and that it is ok to fly what they like. And to respond to this comment:
I used to own a Raptor 50, have flown several others as well as Raptor 70s, and have yet to fly one that flies decent.
Well, the hard truth is that you may not have set the 50 up correctly, because if they are built and setup correctly they fly just as well as a well setup Evo does. I know you are a great pilot, so dont take the setup thing as an insult - BUT every one of us can learn more, there is so much to learn in the hobby. All these helis require is a good setup, good equipment, and a good pilot. If all these 3 are equal - YOU WILL BE VERY HARD PRESSED TO BE ABLE TO DECIDE WHICH IS TRULY "BETTER" Thats the truth..... If you prefer one over the other, cool, and others will prefer another as well. No problems here - I have stated many times that I liked the Evo just fine, and it flew very well.

Some of the problem here is that many of you flew a Raptor as your first heli and now fly Evos and you try to contribute the better flying all to the heli - where I feel that some of it is the fact that you are all much better builders and setup guys than you were when you flew that Raptor years ago. I know of a number of guys that have, just for kicks, went back to Raptors after Evos and found that they fly alot better than they remembered.

Anyways, the poster has a genuine concern here and feels that the Sceadu has some slop in it - which all these plastic helis do - I just gave him some friendly advice - and actually defended the Sceadu for you guys without bashing another heli - give it a try sometime.



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10-09-2005 08:41 PM  12 years agoPost 12
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YES - I have seen a large amount of people with honest problems with the Sceadu get responded to in this exact manner
POST A LINK TO ONE..!!!........just one!!..I wanna see it.
Show us a post where a question is asked about a sceadu where the poster DOES NOT try to compare it with another and is given these types of reply's...
And if you read his post carefully, his first sentence is a question (he may have omitted the ?).
Really..??
Its a question comparing the two heli's..
why is the sceadu so sloppy compare to the raptor
NOT a honest question on what would be the problem with the sceadu.
Anyways, the poster has a genuine concern here and feels that the Sceadu has some slop in it
You really need to read that post again.........

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10-10-2005 12:39 AM  12 years agoPost 13
RCHeliJim

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Show us a post where a question is asked about a sceadu where the poster DOES NOT try to compare it with another and is given these types of reply's
Nice qualifier there, so if someone has a genuine question, but in asking it makes a comparison to another heli we cant help him out without playing the "my ___ is bigger than yours" game??

Whatever floats your boat I guess Sounds like my advice to take the high road and offer help has fallen on deaf ears here. I hope the original poster chimes in here and lets us know more so he can get the help he needs. - Jim



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10-10-2005 02:15 PM  12 years agoPost 14
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why is the sceadu so sloppy compare to the raptor. 3rd bearing block is a must on the v1, so why did the manufacturer put it on the market without it. the tail is very sloppy compare to the raptor, I was told by one person that it will straighten out when spooling up. I also notice that some sceadu owners are switching to raptor(evidence from runryder classified) even the person that I bought my used sceadu from was willing to trade for a raptor .50.
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You could ask the same thing about the Raptor30 V1,why did they introduce it on the market with all it's problems which they had to send owners parts to fix. You didnt happen to buy this Sceadu from oneabnesia did you?

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10-10-2005 02:59 PM  12 years agoPost 15
RCHeliJim

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You didnt happen to buy this Sceadu from oneabnesia did you?
Nope, nice insinuation though bud. And thanks for the new name



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10-10-2005 03:04 PM  12 years agoPost 16
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Name kinda fits since you cant remember people dont like your attitude.You need to take your Raptor bandwagon to a thread that gives a S**T.

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10-10-2005 03:20 PM  12 years agoPost 17
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You need to take your Raptor bandwagon to a thread that gives a ****.
LOL.......is there such a thread??...LOL..

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I hope the original poster chimes in here and lets us know more so he can get the help he needs. -
oneabnesia,

OMG..,!!.......is'nt that what I was asking him in my first post?....

LOL..geez...I must be on your ignore list!!

Here...educate yourself :
http://www.runryder.net/helicopter/t206654p1/

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10-10-2005 04:09 PM  12 years agoPost 18
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I also notice that some sceadu owners are switching to raptor(evidence from runryder classified) even the person that I bought my used sceadu from was willing to trade for a raptor .50.
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Did you aslo notice a lot of raptor owners are switching to EVO's,at our field the Evo is now the 50 of choice among those that are advanced flyers. I know someone with a Raptor 50 he will trade for an EVO, and also someone with a Tiger 50 he will trade for an EVO.

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10-10-2005 04:22 PM  12 years agoPost 19
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The more links/balls you have, the more possible slop you have.
Sure sure... It has never hit you that the linkage gets more precise with 4 ball/links instead of only 2? And 4 instead of 2 doesnt make it twice as sloppy.. You guys really is entertaining.

I also noticed alot of guys switching from EVOs to Rappys.. or hey wait, it was the opposite.

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10-11-2005 05:20 AM  12 years agoPost 20
superstallion

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I didn't want to create another one of those which one is better. I have both helicopter. I was confuse by one member that say the slop is normal but it will fly ok. I have a very terrible wobble while hovering. my gyro will not lock. I was told if the main mast have play it will wobble, I took my main mast out and check to see if it was bent, it was ok. I also squeezed the center hub with a pliers so it could hold the main mast tight and get rid of the play. I also put JB weld in the tail grip to get rid of all the slop, now the tail is solid. I also change gyro. went to test it out and I got the same wobble

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