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10-03-2005 09:01 PM  12 years agoPost 1
Screamintim

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Can I change from HH to normal mode with the " Gear Switch" on an Optic 6, I am using a Telebee Gyro

At the moment when I increase the gain on the TX it tends to wag so is this HH or SH.

Thanks Chaps

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10-03-2005 09:14 PM  12 years agoPost 2
TheX

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No, you have to go into the settings and set *gyro* to what you want. 0 - 50% is 1 - 100% rate mode and 51 - 100% is 1 - 100% HH

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10-03-2005 09:21 PM  12 years agoPost 3
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Cheers Thex, I did not fully underdstand your reply on RC Groups and did not want to bother you with my stupidness

I dont really understand what you meant as I have gone in to the Gyro section and set it to 73 percent which has the tail not wagging, but when I switch the switch it stays at 73 percent.

Hmmm I am doing something wrong here.

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10-03-2005 09:28 PM  12 years agoPost 4
TheX

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The switch does nothing for you on the optic 6, you have to change the percentage each time you want to modify it.

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10-03-2005 09:28 PM  12 years agoPost 5
zrdcorp

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You can do it with the Throtle hold switch..

Not with that one.. but you CAN with the Throttle hold switch.. (SW1)

There are different ways for doing this. The one that I liked the most (and I am currently using it) is to use the Throttle hold switch (to the left of the optic 6 ) I disabled the Throttle hold functionality on the menus for the T-rex Model (this I will not use in an electric heli), then I set up different Gyro Gain for the up and the down position of the Throttle hold switch (SW1) .

The result is a Normal / AVCS switch !! (At least in the Futaba GY401).

You could have a (Low Gain/ High Gain switch...)

You can also set up idle 1/2/3 in different configurations so everything is kept the same except for gyro gain...

Your result may be the same for other gyros that have a gain control...

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10-03-2005 09:38 PM  12 years agoPost 6
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I see great find

Superb I just tried it works.


Thanks

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10-04-2005 06:09 PM  12 years agoPost 7
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Hold on I have alittle question

So on my gyro on the Heli do I turn this up to 100 percent or not, and also when I flick the switch it tends to move the swash around a bit is this normal or have I got some sort of ixing going on??

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10-04-2005 07:32 PM  12 years agoPost 8
zrdcorp

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Like I said, there are different ways or styles for this.

1) Throtle Hold (Autorotation purposes) = Makes throtle curve 0-0-0-0-0 so you conly get pitch changes when moving the throtle stick.
If you intend to do autorotation (I do think I will ever want to..) or want to have a switch to do this, I am not sure but you could experiment with the throtle cut button (right side) to have a 0 % (no throtle) and still have pitch on your left stick (if you are in mode 2 or American Standard) or also try to reassign the HOLD function to switch SW-2 (don't know if this is possible.)

2) Gyro Gain switch (Have different gains in Gyro). This was your original question. When you move the switch down (on), it immediately switches from Normal fligth mode (NOR) to Idle 3 (ST3). If you Pitch curve for Idle 3 is the same as Normal (For mine it is), then the swash plate will NOT move because it is actually the same pitch, but you get GYRO Gain difference !!. If your pitch curve for ST3 is different than for NOR, then you will get a swash plate movement or pitch change.

You have 4 flight modes, but the ST3 is priority, so when the switch is moved down, then mode is ST3 idependently of the SW4 position.

You can be as creative as you want. For example set ST1 for 3-d and ST2 for autorotaion... and so on...

Bye..

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10-05-2005 06:07 PM  12 years agoPost 9
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You can also have different gyro values for all the four flight modes. So you can set up normal, idle up 1, idle up 2 and throttle hold all with different gyro values, if you want to leave HH mode for some reason (though I can't think of any real reason to do so).

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10-05-2005 08:55 PM  12 years agoPost 10
Ozydego

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On my optic 6 I only use flight modes 1 and 2 so, when I want to set up my gain out of HH mode, I just use flight mode 3... I keep everything the same on 2 and 3 except for the gain amounts... I personally use 85% in flight mode 2 (~70% gain in HH mode) and 35% in flight mode 3 (~70% gain)

But Honey, I can't live with just stock.....

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03-21-2006 04:57 PM  11 years agoPost 11
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I just got that radio...the optic 6...You can set it up the old fashioned way with the gear channel...go into gyro menu, and inhibit it....now when you flip your gear switch it puts you in rate mode when flipped down and heading hold when flipped up...now all you do is adjust your EPA percentages to what ever keeps you from wagging...example 60% heading hold and 70% rate mode. I dont like the gyro menu feature on this radio...it puts you at 0 gain when at 50% in heading hold...so your H/H range is 50-100 and rate mode seems to be 0-50 ...if you have your percentage set at 50% in the gyro menu it does nothing!

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03-21-2006 05:37 PM  11 years agoPost 12
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helihobby has a video on building and setting up the radio on the Trex. It uses the Optic 6 Tx and walks thru setting up the radio with a Futaba 401. This video helped me alot in setting the radio up.

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03-21-2006 07:01 PM  11 years agoPost 13
zrdcorp

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ozbach,

That is probably the best tip I have ever read on the Optic 6 !!.

If it works, then it will let me use the Idle 3 setting for something else such as the Autorotation and also the throtle hold !!

Great !!

Roger's Law: If it is worth doing it, it is worth exceeding it.

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03-21-2006 08:04 PM  11 years agoPost 14
ozbach

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It should work...and it should give you a wider range in adjustment too...I am setting up the T-rex right now...I will try it out in a bit...I will get back too you and let you know for sure if it works...later!

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03-21-2006 09:10 PM  11 years agoPost 15
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I just flew it!...I did it both ways...works great!...I found out that in gyro menu I had to run under the 50% mark to enter heading hold 0% held the best...anything above 50% my gyro went into rate mode just the opposite as it said it would do...anyway it does work...and using it with the gyro menu in "inhibit" does let you flip the "gear or channel 5 " switch to go back and fourth between the settings....seems like the book would be a little better in detail on setting up a gyro.....just watch your tail when you flip the switch...if it bounces right back to center when you release the rudder stick..it is in rate mode...if it just stays or drifts slowly to one side of the slider, thats heading hold....note wich way your switch is and go from there

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03-21-2006 09:34 PM  11 years agoPost 16
Inode

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ok so the epa is set on channel 4 to prevent binding and this is done in rate mode? Once there is no binding in rate mode that will prevent any binding in HH mode? and the epa on channel 5 is to get the wag out?? I thought the gain pot on the gyro was to remove the wag or am I totally off on this?

Truthfully, I dont know a thing about how to setup this gyro on this radio. I just know that once i had it hooked up and I moved that switch, it was holding but drifting. I just trim out the tail so that it wont drift.

I have an optic 6 as well and I have been running it with the gyro menu on inh and I always have the second switch from the left on the down position which is HH mode. I have a feeling I am doing it completely wrong

I am running the telebee gyro as well.

Thanks,

Chris

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03-21-2006 10:16 PM  11 years agoPost 17
ozbach

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No Chris you are right...if you have 2 leads coming from the gyro...one plugs into channel 4 and the other into channel 5 ...the channel 5 lead is the same as you turning that little gain screw on the gyro, it just lets you do it through channel 5 eliminating having to try too get to that little bugger while she is spooled up!!! higher the gain percentage its just like turning the gain screw up...By the way as soon as you plug that lead into channel 5 the little screw on the gyro is bypassed now...I personally like to almost max out that little gain pot, and just use the radio to turn up or down the gain....just got done fine tuning the t-rex flies awesome!...Im not going to use that gyro menu...my personal choice, because the other way is easier for me

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03-21-2006 10:36 PM  11 years agoPost 18
Inode

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So adjusting the EPA settings on channel 5 is just like adjusting the pot on the gyro? I thought that the gyro menu turned on with a numeric value set would change the gain. If thats not correct, then the gyro menu turned on would control the mode the gyro is in? 0 to 50 being standard rate mode and 51 - 100 being HH mode. I think I just figured it out. I remember turning on the gyro option and with the setting at 0%, I think it was in standard mode so I turned it off.

Correct me if I am wrong

Thanks,

Chris

PS. My rex is awesome as well. But after 8, 10 min flights with it I crashed. It flies way better than I do

FFF indoors equals eventually crashing.

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03-21-2006 11:09 PM  11 years agoPost 19
ozbach

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Yes the gyro menu lets you adjust the gain...but when it is set to where you want it, flipping the gear channel switch does nothing anymore...so where ever you put the gain...below 50% or above is how you determine if you are in heading hold or not...but if you inhibit the gyro menu then the channel 5 switch activates up or down and you can put in a EPA % on heading hold and a EPA% on rate mode...and a simple flip of the switch, lets you choose...It may depend on what gyro you are running if up is heading hold or not...do a little check like i said before...Inhibit the gyro menu first...then flip the gear channel switch up, move the rudder stick on the radio, one way or the other, then let go if the tail slider went right back to center and is holding right there...that is RATE mode....now flip the gear switch down....repeat the same thing...what ever way you have the switch and you see the tail wander one way or the other after you release the stick...that is heading hold!

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03-22-2006 01:58 PM  11 years agoPost 20
Ozydego

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So I am still a little confused as to why use the EPA's to set the gain and not the gyro menu... This is very very interesting, and could help in another modification I am trying to put together, so Oz, could you explain why use EPA's over the gyro menu in a little more detail????

But Honey, I can't live with just stock.....

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