RunRyder RC
 10  Topic Subscribe
WATCH
 3 pages [ <<    <     1      2     ( 3 )    >    >> ] 12162 views POST REPLY
HelicopterBeginners Corner › Buddy boxes - revisited
08-13-2010 06:58 PM  7 years agoPost 41
fliers1

rrNovice

Lockport, NY

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

RonD,
I read of this method many years ago, although I had been using it before it was printed in I believe Flying Models magazine.

It was called, two sticks - two pilots. What I do is hand the tx to the student, after I give her or him a little ground school. I show the student how to move the throttle/tail rotor lever for a few minutes and then have him raise the heli up and then down a few times, while I control the cyclic lever. That way, he can from the get-go feel what it's like to hover the heli. After about 5 minutes of this up and down drill, I have him keep the heli in a 2 foot hover, while I control the cyclic. After that, I have him put his thumb on top of the cycle lever while I place my thumb and forefinger under his thumb. Sometimes, I tell the student to take his thumb off of the throttle/tailrotor for a few seconds, just to show him how stable the heli is, without having to think about that lever.

I tell him to move the tail/rotor stick back and forth with commands of "nose left, nose right". Then "up and down" with the collective stick. Only once or twice I had to reach over and push the collective down if the student panics. The other thing I had to do in a student panic situation, was take the tx back when the student went brain dead and wouldn't move any lever at all. lol No problem.

Of course, this will take some practice, but I found that the safest way to practice this method was to do it on a sim.

Take care,
Clarence

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  Attn:RR  Quote
08-13-2010 09:08 PM  7 years agoPost 42
dela

rrApprentice

Stillwater Oklahoma

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Clarence,

Thanks for the quick reply!

If I understand it correctly, I can do the first part of your method with my JR 9303 buddy box system, by choosing which channels to give to the Slave transmitter. I can give them control of the left stick functions (throttle/collective-pitch and yaw) while I keept control of cyclic, or vise-versa.

This way I keep the main advantage of the buddy box - I can regain INSTANT control without having to rip the tranny from the student's hands and make a quicker save if necessary. The term "two sticks, two pilots" still applies nicely.

It seems to me that the only disadvantage of the buddy box here is the need to use MY tranny as master (as opposed to the student's tranny), or having to have a buddy box in the first place.

If I understand it correctly, the essence of the second part is letting the student feel the motion of the cyclic, while you are actually controlling it. This lets them know how often, how fast and how far the stick moves. I think I could do that while holding the buddy box out of the way in my left hand and working their cyclic stick with my right. With the buddy box in my left hand, I can still take control quickly if necessary.

Is the ONLY disadvantage of what I have described, the need to HAVE a buddy box? Is there some other disadvantage? As you can tell, I really like the security of taking complete control instantly, without the need to handoff the tranny. This is especially true for me with a heli, where extremely bad things can happen very quickly.

Ron

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
08-17-2012 11:23 AM  5 years agoPost 43
fliers1

rrNovice

Lockport, NY

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

The Ragland Technique
Here is a video of my teaching method. Although I'm teaching kids to fly fixed wing, I use the same method to teach people how to hover RC helicopters. On the average, I can and have people hovering within an hour of instruction (same day). This is without them having any simulator time. I give instruction indoors for electric and obviously outdoors for nitro and gas helicopters. Many have learned to hold a few second hover within 20 minutes of instruction. Once they are able to do that, it usually only takes another 20 minutes to teach themselves to hold a sustained hover.

BTW, I finally got the interest of several industry members.

Watch at YouTube

Fliers1

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  Attn:RR  Quote
08-17-2012 03:15 PM  5 years agoPost 44
Heli0228

rrApprentice

Ripplemead, Va

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

buddy box
At our field all new fliers have to start on a buddy box. I just tell the student what I am going to do set the controls the same and start flying. When the student has control I talk them through the pattern. I find things happen to fast to try handing a radio back and forth. If not for the buddy box countless aircraft would be lost and lots of people may have never learned to fly..

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
08-17-2012 03:22 PM  5 years agoPost 45
fliers1

rrNovice

Lockport, NY

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

As you can see in the video, I never had to take the transmitter from the kids. I have literally everyone I hand the tx to land on their very first lesson and again, never had to take the tx from them.

I found that it is easy to teach other instructors how to use this non buddy-box method. Notice how windy it is (20 plus mph). I helped this lad land on that day. It was 50/50, but after a few more passes, the student will have full control, meaning I didn't have to physically assist him at all.

Fliers1

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  Attn:RR  Quote
08-18-2012 05:37 AM  5 years agoPost 46
Heli0228

rrApprentice

Ripplemead, Va

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

buddy box
Glad you have a method that works for you, I just like the cord and box and I do not want to get that up close and personal to people. I also feel safer being able to take control of an aircraft when I want, not when the student wants to give me the control. As stated glad it works for you, there are sometimes many ways to do the same job. Take care.

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
08-18-2012 10:04 AM  5 years agoPost 47
fliers1

rrNovice

Lockport, NY

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I fully realize that there are those who will not change their minds on how to teach, but for those who may want to find a easier way to do so, is why I'm sharing this information. I've been perfecting this method for many years and found that it's very easy to teach others how to do it. I've trained other instructors in my club, who at first were reluctant to change from buddy-box teaching, but came around when they found it much easier and more productive. There are a few tips and tricks to learning this method and takes a bit of practice to do it properly. BTW, none of those I trained are going back to the buddy-box.

http://www.amadistrictii.org/column...09%20Column.pdf

The lady at the bottom right had never flown before and this photo was taken 5 minutes into her lesson. Notice that I'm not very up close and personal, with my hands in my pockets, like in the video.
No, I never had to take the tx from her, even when I gave her minimal assistance in landing.

Fliers1

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  Attn:RR  Quote
08-23-2012 02:43 PM  5 years agoPost 48
icanfly

rrElite Veteran

ontario

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

It's good, whatever fits the students needs. They don't let you go up in a full size without an instructor ready to take over.

Got a pic of the system?

Learning all by ones self is not inspirational and a crash will send many newbs home to list the remains on kijiji, ebay, craigs list or whatever to get out of the hazard filled hobby.

It's also fun to share your success with someone as you land the heli in one piece. care y'all

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
11-17-2012 02:46 PM  5 years agoPost 49
fliers1

rrNovice

Lockport, NY

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  Attn:RR  Quote
11-20-2012 03:03 PM  5 years agoPost 50
doorman

rrProfessor

Sherwood, Arkansas

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Learning To Fly
I had the pleasure of meeting Clarence on one of my visits to Lockport, NY...
He invited me out to watch and see how he teaches...and I had a friend with me that had never seen or tried flying RC...
Clarence got him on the sticks for about 5 minutes and he was flying almost solo that quickly... his system does work, and work well... I am glad to hear that he has stepped into the heli arena with it.. If you have the chance, look him up and I am sure that he will be a great help to anyone that wants to learn RC...

Thanks for posting here... Stan

AMA 2918-Team Spin Blades,,Castle Creations, Unique Aircraft

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
WATCH
 3 pages [ <<    <     1      2     ( 3 )    >    >> ] 12162 views POST REPLY
HelicopterBeginners Corner › Buddy boxes - revisited
 Print TOPIC  Make Suggestion 

 10  Topic Subscribe

Friday, May 25 - 2:26 am - Copyright © 2000-2018 RunRyder   EMAILEnable Cookies

Login Here
 New Subscriptions 
 Buddies Online