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10-06-2005 03:10 PM  12 years agoPost 61
Thuvanduc

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Speaking of power to weight ratio, I think the EAcrobat made by Stefan Plochinger in Germany is the best. This heli can fly 3D non-stop for 14 minnutes with a 6000mah TP 4S3P (see for yourself some of his videos on their website at http://www.eheli-tuning.de/). I had a 3DMP and can only do 8 min. max on a TP 10S2P. I wonder why this heli is not a popular one.

Duc

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10-06-2005 11:18 PM  12 years agoPost 62
RussD

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Hi Thundervac,

Yes the Acrobat SE is one sweet incredibly quiet heli! All metal / carbon and very well thought out design... but made to order so this may be the reason why there are not so many outside Germany.

I have one in pristine condition with the reccomended set-up ready to go if your tempted ;-)

Russ.

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10-10-2005 09:07 AM  12 years agoPost 63
CustomPC

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A little bit off topic

RussD,

I read somewhere in your posts about CSM Gyros that you suggest flipping the tail blade grips 180 deg on the Logo 14 so that the ball is on the trailing edge of the blades rather than the leading edge.

Why do you suggest this for the L14?

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10-13-2005 04:48 AM  12 years agoPost 64
FlyHuge

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Summary Logo 14 setup

Wow! A lot of good info to take in here.

Can someone summarize what the best setup, battery and electronics would be for the Logo 14? Also any upgrades to recommend for it? I would like to buy the best and do it right the first time.

I am planning to purchase a Logo 14 shortly and also could use some recommendations of who to order from in the states.

I am a floward flight flier starting to move into 3-d. I currently have a trex 450xl ccpm.

Thanks

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10-13-2005 05:32 AM  12 years agoPost 65
CustomPC

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FlyHuge,

I'm in the middle of seting up a Logo 14 myself. So far i have the heli, servos, blades, and gyro sorted.

I went with the JR3421 servos but the Futaba 9650's are also great. For the Gyro, either the Futaba 401, 601 or 611 with corresponding Futaba Digital servo are good. The JR500T is also a good choice.

For blade, i chose the RotorTech 570mm 3D Carbons but i believe the Mikado Carbon 580's are also good. You can also get the longer Logo 20 boom and belt and go up to 600mm blades.


I haven't yet purchased the Motor and Batteries as i'm still deciding what to get. The technology is changing so fast and we're just about to see a changing of the guard, so to speak.


Here's a quick summary of the powertrain choices.

Kontronik Tango 45-08, Jazz 55-10-32 ESC, TP Pro Lite 4000 10S2P has insane power but is hard on the batteries.

Kontronik Tango 45-06, Jazz 55-10-32, TP Pro Lite 4000 10S2P has very good power with a little bogging during very hard manouvers.

Both of the above are available in the US.

Kontronik Tango 45-07, Jazz 55-10-32, TP Pro Lite 4000 10S2P falls in between the 45-08 and 45-06. Plenty of power but not as hard on the batteries. The catch is that the 45-07 is not available in the US and you'll have to purchase from overseas somewhere in the EU or UK. That'll add about $100 to the price.

Plettenberg Orbit 30-12 and 10S2P LiPo has insane power, even more than Tango 45-08 but is very hard on the batteries.

Not forgetting "The BOX" which adds a 2:1 gearbox to the heli and lets you run very efficient inrunner motors at high speeds (40,000rpm). See http://www.tppacks.com for details.


There's a couple of new developments on the way.
First is the Neumotors 'ORK' (Out Runner Killers) series of motors. These promise to be more powerful and more efficient than any other motors. We'll have to wait and see what they're like when they are released.
And lastly, there's some new TP Pro Lite 2100 LiPo cells out now which they claim deliver even more power.

For purchasing Mikado gear in the US i have had a lot of good service from FXAeromodels. Helihobby and Espritmodel are also reasonable.

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10-13-2005 11:04 AM  12 years agoPost 66
maddog72

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Hi!

Here's the setup, of Ron's Logo14:
Orbit 30-12
Kontronik Jazz 55-10-32
ThunderPower ProLite 10S2P
NHP 600
Stock-Tailboom
V-Stabi+ (with gyro)
tail-servo: S9251
swash-servos: Hitec

With this setup he can fly about 7 mins heavy 3D.

All batteries have over 100 cycles and there's still the same power.

Markus

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10-13-2005 12:40 PM  12 years agoPost 67
mudbogger2

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maddog72- He must fly that setup like a girlie. Andy rummer is hitting 98 amp peaks on his with 580mm blades and killing the batteries in 55 flighs.

CustomPC just about covered everything. Only upgrades I consider as nessicary on the Logo 14 are the tail hub with thrust bearings and the metal washout base.

Fxaeromodels is definately the best place to buy fomr in the US. Read up on hellihobby before you buy from them.

Jon Jennings

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10-13-2005 01:56 PM  12 years agoPost 68
pwkpete

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I think that maddog is referring to Ron Sommern?

600's with stock boom?

I put a set of the BBT 580's next to the BBT 600's I used on my Raptor, it really only looks like about an 11mm difference at the tips. I'll have to put them on and check for blade clearance now.

Andy's 55-70 flights before packs toast doesn't even come close. Is Ron by chance balancing the cells at all?

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10-13-2005 04:40 PM  12 years agoPost 69
maddog72

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Hi!

I'm talking about Ron Sebastian. I think, he doesn't fly like a girl.

I've posted a video here:
http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t205908p1/

Markus

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10-13-2005 06:43 PM  12 years agoPost 70
pwkpete

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Sebastian, yeah, that's who I meant!

I've seen Ron's videos, typical European smooth style 3D (Not that there is anything wrong with that!), top notch flying. Andy can be smooth, then he can just hammer it and it seems he does frequently. Just compare the videos of their freestyle 3D Masters performances.

That may be why Ron gets more cycles on that combo... I have no doubt that Ron can dish it out too, if he wanted...

Just an idea...

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10-14-2005 04:30 AM  12 years agoPost 71
FlyHuge

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Awesome info - keep it coming!

Heres a few more for you:

1) Do you recommend doing the 20 size tail extension?

2) Is there a cra$h kit for the Logo 14. I see one for the 10 and 20 but not 14.

I was at Ircha and after seeing Andy fly I was sold on the Logo.

Thanks

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10-14-2005 12:28 PM  12 years agoPost 72
mudbogger2

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I feel like flying 570-580 is more fun. Crisper cyclic and less motor bogging. Plus you don't need to buy the longer boom and belt setup.
So unless you just want to run 600's leave it stock.


No crash kit for the 14.

Jon Jennings

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10-14-2005 02:01 PM  12 years agoPost 73
Bert Kammerer

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I'd like to try 580's on mine, I have tried 550's and 600's. What do you recommend for 580 mm blades? What brand and buy them from who? They are not as widely available as the other sizes. I have had bad experiences with Mikado blades, I rather use any other brand. Suggestions? Also what size tail blades will give you enough clearance with the 580's? I am running quite long tail blades (MAH 90's).

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10-14-2005 02:14 PM  12 years agoPost 74
mudbogger2

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I am still running the stretched boom so I have no clearance issues but I have found SAB 80mm tail blades to be more than enough with my 601 gyro. For mains I like the way the 570MS blades fly but the narrow chord makes for crappy autos. TG makes some 585mm blades but they can be hard to find. The Mikado 580's are supposedly the same as BBT evolution blades. I have flown BBT's before and liked them.
I believe NHP makes some 580mm open tip blades as well.

Jon Jennings

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10-14-2005 02:40 PM  12 years agoPost 75
Bert Kammerer

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Thanks for the info Jon,

Markus, the link you posted http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t205908p1/ prompts me to upload a file? Pardon my stupidity, but how do you download the video?

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10-14-2005 04:00 PM  12 years agoPost 76
CustomPC

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I've just ordered some of the RotorTech 570mm 3D Carbon blades that Century Heli are selling.
The RotorTech blades are the hot ticket amongst the F3C fliers (in 720mm) so i thought they'd be worth a shot.
Price was $95.
For tail blades, i have some 80mm MSComposit's and SAB's in my Kit Box. I've also ordered some of the RotorTech 85mm Carbons for both my Logo's (20 & 14).

I'll be using a JR500T Gyro in the 14.

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10-14-2005 04:04 PM  12 years agoPost 77
CustomPC

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To Those with a Logo 14, what is the overall weight of your heli ready to fly and how much does your battery pack weigh.

Theres a good deal going on some LiPo's right now but the packs would be around 1000gm (1Kg). Is that too high?

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10-14-2005 04:12 PM  12 years agoPost 78
mudbogger2

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RTF I am at 6 lbs 8 oz. My TP prolite 10s2p is 890 grams.
What kind of packs are those?

Jon Jennings

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10-14-2005 08:48 PM  12 years agoPost 79
maddog72

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Hi!

The download on gigashare seems not to work anymore.

I've uploaded the file on my server:
http://www.mf-heli.com/video/ron-hard-h.zip

Markus

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10-14-2005 10:28 PM  12 years agoPost 80
Bert Kammerer

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Thanks for the new link Markus. Ron is an excellent pilot. I disagree with the 'typical European smooth style 3D' theory. I think he hammers that thing well on that video. The flight in the video lasts less than 6 minutes, which tells me that is all he can get out of the pack safely. Did he win 5th place in the 05 masters?

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