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05-08-2005 03:49 PM  12 years agoPost 1
Hoverdown3K

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I am looking at this Shogun and I have noticed it has some upgraded parts, but the tail gears look like the original Shogun

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...5972950504&rd=1

Any idea on this Chopper, I am buying another Shogun as a backup helicopter.

I have an orignal Shogun from last year and it has the belt drive installed. I noticed this Shogun listed on Ebay has the same gears as the one I have.


Did they update the crown gears? I thought the new gears from the factory were beveled gears.

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05-09-2005 08:21 AM  12 years agoPost 2
OICU812

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No it is someone throwing on a few mods of sorts and calling it a version 2. Global nor Protech never officially ever released a second version of Shogun. Now T-Rex is coming out with a xl version, they seem to be making new rex versions and continuing the heli. Shogun on the other hand, I don't think GH or Protech will make a new version due to all the mods on market by others where you can make your own totally blinged out 100% + performance shogun.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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05-09-2005 09:10 AM  12 years agoPost 3
TomC

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You are correct OICU812 . I checked with the seller and it does not come with bevelled tail gears. They will sell you a pair of these gears for $6 though.

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Tom C

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05-09-2005 03:56 PM  12 years agoPost 4
Hoverdown3K

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I bought that heli as a backup to my Shogun, I grabbed it for $107, so the parts alone are worth that!

The tail gears are not a problem since I use a belt drive on my Shogun and would add the same to this one!

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05-10-2005 09:50 PM  12 years agoPost 5
TomC

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Hoverdown3K, ya I could not resist buying one too but I hate to admit that I paid the $138 'buy it now' price!

I also ordered a few sets of bevelled gears (@ $6 each) since I have not yet gone to a belt drive.

The mods included look pretty good. I think that I'll switch my radio gear and 400dh motor over to this one and setup the other with the stock brushed motor. I have lots of brushed gear around (probably use a cc35 brushed controller) and an old copilot assist unit (weighs about 30g so should not load it done too much) that I used for my initial corona flight training. This should be a very good, soft setup to let my non-heli friends (plank flyers) have a go!

The Shogun/zoom/zap is a great little heli. I am still amazed at how well it flys, very comparable to my larger ones (in light winds).

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TomC

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05-11-2005 03:31 PM  12 years agoPost 6
Hoverdown3K

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TomC,

I was lucky the auction was ending in minutes, so I sniped it, I will also transfer my gear to this shogun as it looks better then my original Shogun, I will skip the tail gear and install my belt drive (best mod around)

I have to admit that I like flying my Shogun more then my Larger JR Voyager E, the VE is fun but the shogun is a blast!

I fly in winds up to 25mph with the shogun, the only crazy part is trying to land in gusts, other then that is flys as well as my Full size VE.

I am going to install a 400DH motor in this new chopper, my current shogun has an AirPower 3600KV from golden horizons, nice motor, but I have heard very good reviews on the 400DH.

I'll remove the stock ABS T-REX blades and put my Fiberglass blades on!

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05-11-2005 09:36 PM  12 years agoPost 7
TomC

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Yes, the 400DH motor with 8t pinion really rocks! I really like mine, setup with a cc35 esc. I've ordered a set of Sab 280mm carbons to try. They seem to get pretty good reviews in this forum..

Cheers,
TomC

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05-12-2005 09:43 AM  12 years agoPost 8
theShark

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well....I got suckered into one of these as well, first CP. Anyone got theirs as yet? is it crap?

Any advice on what I should put into it? does it make sense buying a esc for the brushed motor or go brushless?

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05-12-2005 12:00 PM  12 years agoPost 9
TomC

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Hopefully it will not be 'crap'! There is lots of good advice in this forum on set-ups. If you are an experienced micro heli flyer you might want to go brushless to start with unless you already have a suitable brushed esc already. Try this recent thread for starters;

http://runryder.com/helicopter/t176297p1/

Cheers,
Tom C

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05-18-2005 08:48 AM  12 years agoPost 10
KillerLoki

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Its not a V2 Shogun

The V2 shogun is going to be introduced at this years RCX convention in Cali. this weekend I know due to I am going to be flying it there I can not give out any info yet on it until after this weekend but can say the Shogun you are looking at on EBay is a standard Heli that someone added some parts too and calling it a V2. sorry to burst your bubbles on this matter but I know I have one ready to go for RCX.

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05-18-2005 04:58 PM  12 years agoPost 11
Hoverdown3K

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I got my Shogun yesterday and it is WAY better then the Stock EF kit, I can't wait to get it airborn, the new EF Shogun V2 will be belt driven.

I added the belt drive last year to my original EF shogun , and it is the best mod for the shogun , hands down!

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05-18-2005 05:09 PM  12 years agoPost 12
theShark

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kickass! Is the quality better? or is it because of the upgrades?

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05-19-2005 08:14 AM  12 years agoPost 13
KillerLoki

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well all i can say is

There is some changes to a few things on the V2 in several locations on the Heli after this weekend I will be able to fill everyone in and if i can will add pics to the post for your Viewing pleasure.

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05-26-2005 08:55 AM  12 years agoPost 14
KillerLoki

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Ok how do i post pics here

I have pics of the real V2 know that RCX is over but are unsure how to put in pics here with some help I can let everyone see the V2 Shogun. this is a test to see if I got the pic uploaded if not then i need help.

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05-26-2005 09:00 AM  12 years agoPost 15
KillerLoki

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Tell me if you do not see the pic it is working on my end

i will try to do 1 more

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05-26-2005 01:26 PM  12 years agoPost 16
ericfly

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I can't see it

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05-27-2005 02:06 PM  12 years agoPost 17
theShark

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hoverdown, did you get it in the air as yet?

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05-29-2005 10:56 AM  12 years agoPost 18
TomC

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G'day Mates,

I hate to put any supplier down, but imo this heli is a very poor Chinese knock-off of the zap/zoom heli. Some of the mods look good, but many of these are pretty poor quality. I have sent the supplier a long list of defects and these have apparently been forwarded to the factory so maybe things will improve in the future and they really will come out with a better-than-stock one!

For starters, the main frame is made of soft cheesy plastic and is very flexible, not a great idea for a heli! The cyclic and pitch servos end up rocking back and forth quite a bit. Too bad since the battery bay was longer and slightly wider.

The metal ball links look good but have more slop in them than any of the stock zap plastic ones. I tried greasing them up and applied a thin film of CA to the plastic links but this did not help much since the balls are not polished.

The blades are also made of soft, cheesy abs plastic. Like the Align 290's, twice as heavy as stock foamies. Very stable, well balanced blades but do use up a bit motor battery power to run and cyclic response is very soft (about 1/2 of my Sab 280's).

The tail boom drive shaft is the real problem with this heli. It uses a 2mm hex steel drive shaft with 3 boom bearings that have little hex inserts in them. The steel drive shaft is very soft and flexible. I flexes quite a bit when you spool-up and/or during large motor rpm/load changes (esp. with my 400dh brushless motor). The result is lots of stripped input gears! Maybe adding a couple of these hex bearings to the boom might help, but after going through 5 sets of input gears (max 5 minutes life), I've given up. Too bad, because when the vibrations stopped it ran much quieter (almost stealth-like) than the stock drive.

The bevel gears (I bought a few sets to try them out) are very soft nylon, much softer than the mh blue ones. The small tail bevel gear only fits the 2mm hex shaft. I drilled one out to 2.5mm and managed to press fit it onto a stock carbon drive shaft and it looks like it will work ok. I probably would not trust them myself although I might try them in the future.

The only other major problems were, as delivered, both the tail rotor shaft and main rotor spindle shaft were bent. The carbon fibre boom supports and tail pushrod are not very well glued to the metal attachment ends. Pull them off and re-glue them. The tail pushrod is too long anyway and need to be shortened.

There are lots of other minor things but I will not go there for now.

I'm embarrassed to say that I spent $138 (full listed buy now price) on this heli plus another $24 for 4 set of bevelled gears.

The only parts I've found useful, and would, or have used on my zap heli are:
- Landing gear tubes are 15-20mm longer and help keep the heli rocking backwards, very useful.
- Knock the bearings out of the tail boom and it looks as good as the stock ones. I'm using it right now.
- The canopy is much sturdier than the stock one. The two halves are riveted together. It weighs a little more but by relocating the two side mountings pin holes, it is very usable.
- All screws, bolts, and nuts are ok to use.
- The main shaft is very similar to the original steel upgrade shaft (shorter pitch slots, ok for +/- 7-8 deg pitch) and should be fine.
- All bearings actually look better than stock! I'd use them.
- The tail pitch slider, tail rotor hub, and tail blades look ok to use. You need to drill out the pitch slider insert to fit a stock tail shaft but it seems ok.
- I cut off the front 1 inch of the main frame battery box and glued it to the bottom of my plywood battery extension. This gives you another set of canopy guiding pins to help hold the canopy on a bit better.
- Paddles look ok to use.
- Horiz fin is ok to use but the vertical one is too soft and flexible.
- landing gear struts are ok to use.
- tail servo mount is very good, much better than the mh one!

Adding these all up probably says that $50-60 worth of usable spares and another $20-30 of very good upgrades. So if you get one of these for less than, or around $100, you are probably getting ok, but not great value. The $99 sell-off of old zap/zoom/shogun kits are probably a better value imo.

In all fairness, I have talked to the seller (Jeff) and he seems like a really nice guy. He even sent me a few spares for free and when I complained about the quality, he offered a refund if I sent everything back to him. Given the pain and shipping expense, plus the fact that I am using some of these parts (boom, tail servo mounts, and landing gear tubes) on my original zap heli, I probably will not bother sending it back to him.

In hindsight (this vision is always 40-40) I wish I had not purchased this item and it re-confirms my dis-trust in E-bay shopping! Again, I do not like to put any supplier down and I thought long and hard before writing this review, but I thought that you all deserved to know what I thought about it.

Cheers,

Tom C

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05-29-2005 06:10 PM  12 years agoPost 19
theShark

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I will probably just keep it as spares and buy a V2 when it comes out.

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05-30-2005 05:43 PM  12 years agoPost 20
wildstallionuk

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KillerLoki,

If you have some pictures of the Zoom 2 mate dont be shy The pictures you are trying to show us have a file path that leads to the documents folder on your own computer. You need to upload them somewhere there are a few places out there that will host for free, or Mondays (today) are free to host on runryder.

Check out the items I have for sale in the clasifieds including a CSM 420

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