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05-05-2005 05:29 PM  12 years agoPost 1
BC Don

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Calgary, AB Canada

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OK, so a number of you are probably getting tired of me posting about all my crashes. I'm not even 100% sure of what happened last night as I was flying but lost orientation and the Heli was coming backwards, sideways and down. I "think" I reduced collective and didn't correct fast enough although I saw it start to recover before it went it. It seemed that it wasn't responding to my inputs as fast as it should have (and it won't respond at all now).

But all that's done is make me more determined to get up in the air and get proficient. I can fly around all day on the sim with pretty well any Heli, do loops, rolls, flips, "some" inverted stuff and never crash. (Need to work on Autos more) but, when I get to the field I just seem to get a whole bunch more unsure of myself.

Anyway, ordering a new Hawk Pro is much less expensive than wrecking a Motorbike and paying $4,000+ and waiting for bones to heal.

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05-06-2005 07:19 AM  12 years agoPost 2
TWOWHEELTOM

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Yelm, WA

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Take it slowly....its easy to get into a situation thats hard to overcome. just stay within your boundaries and dont try to push so hard. Burning fuel will get you the skills your wanting. Pushing the limit every time you fly will cost you a lot of money! Im glad to hear your not discouraged. Good luck

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05-06-2005 12:54 PM  12 years agoPost 3
RICH.L

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gentry arkansas

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i agree to take it easy until you feel comfortable with it.
this will be my third season flying and i have only done some loops and rolls,and some nose down funnels.
it is tough when you go to the flying field and you see other guys doing auto,s death spirals and all sorts of 3/d.
i can hover inverted 6 inches of the ground on the sim but just can,t get that confident to try it for real.
everyone learns at their own pace,and it seems that when you get real comfortable and think you are doing good then bam you wreck it.
i am sure i will be crashing my new hiper raven trying something new.
good luck.
rich

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05-06-2005 01:19 PM  12 years agoPost 4
lakespinner2

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north carolina

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I trashed a raptor a few weeks ago late in the evening down at the other end of the field. Turns out I can see the sim monitor just fine, without my glasses, EVEN in the dark. Not so at the field.

Note to self, wear my glasses !! Another lesson learned.

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05-06-2005 05:21 PM  12 years agoPost 5
jackheli

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Vancouver - Canada

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Have you considered a co-pilot?

It's easy to find an excuse to do wrong. Hard is not to find an excuse to do right.

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05-06-2005 05:57 PM  12 years agoPost 6
BC Don

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Calgary, AB Canada

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Nope, hadn't considered the co-pilot. Unfortunately I'm from the school of hard knocks. If I'm keeping within my experience level I figure I'm not too bad but as I go beyond that I can get into trouble.

With the Hawk I had recently changed to 3D paddles and removed the weights so I was "relearning" some of that. It should also be noted that I was experiencing a random "hit" that caused either a tail movement or collective movement. Don't know if that contributed or not.

The co-pilot may not be a bad idea although I'd be concerned that I relied on it too heavily.

HOwever, I went through the same thing with planes. Destroyed a few of them before I could get to the stage where I wasn't having to fix one all the time. Now, when I build a plane it gets added to others (instead of replacing) and I haven't had a crash in a long time (knock on wood). I figure I'll get the same after a good solid summer of Heli Flying (we'll see).

Thanks for the suggestions.

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05-06-2005 07:01 PM  12 years agoPost 7
Gearhead

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Vt

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BC,,, your doing OK !!, you wont learn if you don't push yourself,,,

I crashed 5 time's my first year,,, 2 were do to dumb-thumb's, 2 were do to a low head speed and the last do to my antenna pulling out, (I learned quick on the low head speed)

4 my second year,,, 1 to dumb thumb's, 1 to a low flame-out, 1 do to my boom pulling out and 1 do to my rudder servo wire burning on the muffler,,,

1 time last year, do to my rudder servo failure,,,

keep at it, you wont learn if you don't try !!

Jim
PS, I remember (once when I was complaining about 1 of my crashes) 1 of the better flyers on RR telling me to keep at it, and how he crashed 11 times in 1 year...

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05-06-2005 08:55 PM  12 years agoPost 8
darkfa8

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Brick, NJ - USA

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I figure I have about 40 flights on my Hawk Sport since January when I started in freezing cold weather...

I'm still working on precise hovering tail-in and side-on in T's, have done some "walk the dog" style FF and turning by walking and staying behind it all the time.. I occassionally practice on Reflex, should spend more time on it...

I've had 4 or so boom strikes from hard landings from my fingers locking up and not trying to save it, and have had 2 crashes, the last one being the worst in damage tally at nearly $200.

Including my primary Hawk flyer, I have 3 others. One I tore through for parts for #1, another I have built up bare mechanics with TT upgrade and other lil tweaks, and I have the fourth on the way that will be another spare parts machine.

I'm hoping to get to nose-in hovering T's by the end of the month and then maybe start on circuits/fig 8s, etc...

I just switched to 3/4 stick hover from 1/2 and am trying to readjust and get less nervous and slow on the fingers...

I fly by myself so the only encouragement I get is from me. Lately, when I feel I'm on the edge of trouble, I'll land it, clean it up and call it a day... I'd rather go home in one piece then try and push the limits right now and loose.

I have installed a Co-Pilot, which I haven't set up at the field yet. That I do anticipate helping me save the machine if my brain fails, and should also help me stay out of the ground while I teach myself nose-in...

I'll switch Co-Pilot on, swing the bird nose-in, and then tink with the controls to see how it's going to react, get used to it looking at me and when I'm ready, or not.. take a breath, and turn off Co-Pilot and see if I can keep it in one spot. .. the moment it gets ahead of my inutition, the Co-Pilot goes back on... try again...

Doing it on the sim is one thing, doing it in real life, with real wind conditions, the smell of the nitro, the heli buzzing away right there.. more intense then on a computer any day.

I fly maybe 2-3 times a week if that... it's rough with the weather lately =\

- Dan Goldstein
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05-06-2005 09:24 PM  12 years agoPost 9
BC Don

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Calgary, AB Canada

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Thanks Dan, I started last September, didn't fly too much over the winter due to weather and have started to get out again more recently. I only get out 1, maybe 2 days a week which isn't really enough but all that I can get so I've got to take it.

Don't know how many crashes in total and I could likley fix the Sport by ordering parts but I figure I want the Pro so I just ordered it. I'll leave this sport (and what's left of parts machine #1) as spares.

I'm OK in hovering, including side on, can hover nose in at altitude (could probably do it lower if I practised more), can fly figure 8s and circuits OK "most" of the time and have done some loops without a problem.

Need to learn orientation better in my circuits plus approaches and of course Autos along with more nose in skill. I guess if I had more nose in skill I'd be better at doing approaches.

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05-06-2005 09:42 PM  12 years agoPost 10
jackheli

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Vancouver - Canada

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Looking back, one thing I would have done differently while learning (not that I am implying I "know" how to fly...) would be to get someone to buddy-box with me and get me through the adrenaline rush the first couple of times I would be doing something new.

Lacking a buddy I would go for the next best thing, which in my opinion is the co-pilot, and do it exactly like darkfa8 is doing.

To me the path to success is to practise on the sim until your butt is flat, buddy-box the next couple of flights, and then go solo.

Only my 2 cents.

Jack

It's easy to find an excuse to do wrong. Hard is not to find an excuse to do right.

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05-06-2005 10:44 PM  12 years agoPost 11
BC Don

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Yup, flight sim is getting pretty boring (although I do have to spend some time on autos still so I can nail them 100% of the time).

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05-06-2005 11:19 PM  12 years agoPost 12
jackheli

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Vancouver - Canada

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Call me a nerd but I still enjoy spending a couple of hours a week on my XTR.

There is always a move you felt went wrong at the field that you can perfect, and new stunts to master.

Orientation is also something you can master on the sim.

It's easy to find an excuse to do wrong. Hard is not to find an excuse to do right.

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05-07-2005 01:13 AM  12 years agoPost 13
perfesser zero

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Dublin, VA., USA

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Guy's...
I know where you're coming from. Been there done that. I'm starting all over again. One benefit I have is that I have a rather large backyard and can fly at anytime that the weather and daylight will allow. Since I now have the Hawk trimmed out to fly nicely, I'm doing as much practicing as I can. As darkfa8 is doing I'm flying left side and right side T's. I've also tried to circle left and right about myself at about 30 feet. My fingers are starting to remember these things.

I had to go out and buy another gallon of fuel today so I don't run out. I've almost gone through the first gallon that I already had. I fly about an hour a day between 5:00pm and 6:00pm in the evening. Today is the first day this week I haven't been out flying. We have guests at the house this weekend so I've not troubled them with that toy!

So far, my neighbors haven't said anything to me about making any noise, but then I don't make any comments about the neighbor starting his bulldozer in the evenings either. It really is great to have cows as most of your neighbors! I guess the next thing I really need is a good simulator.

P.S. - Yes I used to crash allot too! I'm sure I will again.

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Tiger 50 - OS 50SX-H
Hawk Sport - OS 37SZ-H
Raptor 30 - OS 37SZ-H
JR 10X/R950S

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05-07-2005 01:22 AM  12 years agoPost 14
RICH.L

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gentry arkansas

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i thought about the buddy box thing,but doesn't it have to be the same radio? set up exactly the same?
my first year i was on my own,had to setup and experiment on my own.
that was a great learning time.
the first year i spent two months just hovering and keeping control of the heli(it worked i can hover all in all positions very well)
but i had to buy the sim to be able to go into ff,after that i flew for 3 months withought a crash.
last year i bought my hawk and was impressed,i did about 12 rolls and on the last one i let go of my right stick,slammed into the ground pretty hard.
everyone is right,after you have it down on the sim try it in the air,but also try to keep it 2 mistakes high//
that saved me once last year,i was flying for some relatives at a picnic and was in ff and for some reason it rolled right on me,and was coming down inverted at a wierd angle and i pulled full negative and flipped it back over.
rich

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05-07-2005 01:22 AM  12 years agoPost 15
darkfa8

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Brick, NJ - USA

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hey Prof zero, how far are you from Roanoke?

oh, and speaking of cirlces, I did do 2 circles around me with the heli, but I turned with it so I was always looking at it's side.. it was about 10' off the ground, and very slow.

- Dan Goldstein
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05-07-2005 04:51 AM  12 years agoPost 16
perfesser zero

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darkfa8
I'm about 50 miles west of Roanoke on I-81 exit 97? go north about 10 miles just past the NRV airport. I live out where most of my neighbors are cattle and a few horses! Not my horses though. I have mine over at my uncles place about 2 miles away.

That's what I do also in circling myself. Helps you find your flight direction in that phase of forward flight. This is how I was always coming out of forward flight when I got to flying out and coming back at myself. I would bring it down and circle myself to a hover. Probably a bad habit, but it worked for me. While I tried to come in on both sides I didn't always do that and usually came in on my right side. Need to make sure this time out I do at least once on each side everytime I fly. Problem with flying and learning allot on your own is you tend to practice bad habits that are hard to break later on. While I was flying the Hawk yesterday and once I had it trimmed so it didn't fly away on me, I tried hovering with both sides facing me. To my delight I found I didn't have any trouble with it even with the tail rotor not set correctly yet. I and did it while facing the heli. Not turned to one side (cheater flying) either. I figure once I'm through this gallon of green stuff, I should be pretty well into flying what I was in 1988. Maybe not loops and rolls yet, but possibly flying out 200 feet and coming back to myself and maybe even figure 8's.

Later...

Tiger 50 - OS 50SX-H
Hawk Sport - OS 37SZ-H
Raptor 30 - OS 37SZ-H
JR 10X/R950S

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05-07-2005 05:00 AM  12 years agoPost 17
darkfa8

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Brick, NJ - USA

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zero..

my friend Brent, who helped me originally set up my heli is moving into a place in Bedford. He is working at Roanoke airport...

I'm planning on coming down to visit him and possibly move in and find a job down there within the next week or so.

Maybe we could all get together and burn some fuel...and shoot the sh!!, I mean autos.. :P

- Dan Goldstein
Team Revolectrix

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05-07-2005 05:08 AM  12 years agoPost 18
perfesser zero

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darkfa8
Sounds good. The more the merrier!!!

BTW, just where is Manahawkin, NJ? My sister lives in Jackson, NJ (near Six Flags). Also, are you planning on going back to NJ for OC Bob's funFly? I'm trying to get plans together to go. This depends on my work load that time of year, as I work for the school system here and that's usually our busiest time of the year.

Later...

Tiger 50 - OS 50SX-H
Hawk Sport - OS 37SZ-H
Raptor 30 - OS 37SZ-H
JR 10X/R950S

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05-07-2005 05:45 AM  12 years agoPost 19
darkfa8

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Brick, NJ - USA

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i will be going back to Jersey for a time. Depending on what I find in VA, I might come back and stay to work since my work career here is sucking...

as for OC Bob's.. I don't know where that is being held, didn't even know about it.

I live about 45 minutes east of Jackson. I'm 5 minutes inland from the ocean.. and if I move to VA, I'm sure gonna miss it =\

- Dan Goldstein
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