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05-05-2005 02:14 AM  12 years agoPost 1
Fit

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Hi guys, I am looking at upgrading my tail to either the MicroHeli Precision Tail Rotor SE or Duzi's tail grips.

Need opinions from those who have tried either one of the above. I like the Duzi ones since they are a simple bolt on affair to the existing hub and seem very light and the grade of aluminium used seem much stronger than that of microheli's.

The good thing about the microheli one is that it has dual bearings on each tail grip and looks much nicer. Though it looks a bit bulky and afraid that it might get damaged easily in a crash due to the extra mass.

Hope to get replies quick.
Need to decide by tonight if possible

Hornet X3D : GY401, 9CHP, AXI, MS116+____Evo 50, 50SXH

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05-05-2005 03:18 AM  12 years agoPost 2
Blade-X

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U know what? I guess Duzi will be coming up with new tail grips as well

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05-05-2005 04:57 AM  12 years agoPost 3
crux12

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Don't forget about the S&S version from DeeTee. I considered both, but ended up going with what I feel is the best design out there. The machining is spot on from a smaller company and I would think that if there is ever an issue Scott from S&S would stand behind his stuff 100%


Here is a quick link
http://www.deeteeenterprises.com/NS...rnet.E032a..php

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05-05-2005 11:15 AM  12 years agoPost 4
Blade-X

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OMFG
I neva noticed Deetee's upgrades used thrust bearings!!! OMG OMG... I was always told nobody made thrust bearings small enuff for the tail grips... OMG OMGOMGOMG.....

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05-05-2005 01:15 PM  12 years agoPost 5
Gary Jenkins

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What about MS?

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05-05-2005 03:41 PM  12 years agoPost 6
MBird

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What about those?

Official MS Upgrade... Moves pretty smooth and is lighter than if it had bearings in it... Very sweet... But to anyone his own...

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05-06-2005 12:52 AM  12 years agoPost 7
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The MS ones are nice too but they are more expensive than the rest, so its off my list.
I am most likely going with the duzi ones

Along with new tail grips I also want to outfit my hornet with CF Tail blades.

I noticed that there are two CF tail blades available in the market. One is from Walt and the other from MS. Apart from price anyone knows if there's a difference in dimensions (like blade chord, length and weight) between Walt's and MS's CF tail blades?

MBIRD, are those MS CF tail blades? Seem narrower and longer than the stock plastic blades... or maybe its just my eyes.

Hornet X3D : GY401, 9CHP, AXI, MS116+____Evo 50, 50SXH

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05-06-2005 03:43 AM  12 years agoPost 8
MrCarbon

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MS Upgrades and New Tuning parts

Please give the MS Tuning parts a good look-over. I am sure you will find the quality and VALUE, exceptional particularly when compared with Duzi or other "After market" tuning parts. These were designed and tested by Mr Peter Novotny , factory test Pilot and International competitor from MS.

Most of these tuning parts are priced BELOW Duzi or any other "aftermarket" accessories ! Take a look and order from our many dealers or directly from us !

Have fun and enjoy your Hornets !

New Stinger 3 and Stinger 6 are on the way !!!

Regards,

MS USA
"We speak only MS ! "

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05-06-2005 05:15 AM  12 years agoPost 9
HELILAB

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hornet

I have in my Hornet complete tail from m.h. and it feels like Im flyng a bigger heli veryyy smoth

Mario

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05-06-2005 06:23 AM  12 years agoPost 10
MBird

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Yes this bird is completely MS. It is fully tuned up using the latest MS upgrades. But don't ask me how does it fly... Never flew it myself... So far I'm spending my time on the simulator and damn the flying is hard...

So far it's just collecting the dust and it is quite an attraction dragger when visit comes even as a static display. Hopefully it won't stay static for too long...

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05-06-2005 03:56 PM  12 years agoPost 11
jiri

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> I am sure you will find the quality and VALUE, exceptional particularly when
> compared with Duzi or other "After market" tuning parts.

I am little bit surprized to read this. I have most of the Duzi upgrades
on my Hornet and their upgrades are top quality and fully tested by
Martin Duzi (see e.g. videos on http://www.duzi.cz). Moreover, if the tail grips
are cheaper in the Duzi brand, I would not hesitate even for a while.

Jiri

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05-06-2005 06:28 PM  12 years agoPost 12
Den Of Earth

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Phoenix, AZ, USA

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I have the ones from DeeTee and I am of the firm belief that the thrust bearing is the more appropriate one to use in an application such as this. However, it looks like almost all the aftermarket ones are well designed and a big improvement over stock, so its hard to go wrong with any of the ones listed in this thread

Jack

"The longer I live the more I see that I am never wrong about anything, and that all the pains that I have so humbly taken to verify my notions have only wasted my time."
- George Bernard Shaw

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05-06-2005 08:52 PM  12 years agoPost 13
Lowell Foo

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The MicroHeli tail rotor is the strongest, due to the tight clearance between the hub and grip. In a crash, you're not relying on the bending strength of the bolt to support the grip.
I also like the fact that the MicroHeli hub has two set screws to fix it onto the tail shaft which makes taking it off for balancing a breeze.

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05-07-2005 01:06 AM  12 years agoPost 14
Blade-X

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I'm listening to both Mr Foo, and Mr Srba.

Very interesting, as Fit and I need to get this as well. In SG, the fastest choice is Duzi or mH. Interesting. Are there anymore inputs? We are both students with little cash to spare and are training up to inverted flying(entry into 3d), What ever inputs on performance and cost helps a lot. Thank you!

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05-07-2005 01:26 AM  12 years agoPost 15
crux12

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I'd take a closer look at the S&S part still. I was set on the uheli part until doing a bit of research and I feel as if I picked the best one.

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05-07-2005 02:31 AM  12 years agoPost 16
Tifos

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Ostrava, Czech Republic

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MS Upgrades and New Tuning parts is very unsuccessful imitation, have nothing to do with DUZI.
Look, here

and here

what you guys think which tuning parts it's better?
DUZI have clever idea!!!

and
the whole time I'm seen Mr. Petr NOVOTNY how flew on Hornet with DUZI tuning!

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05-07-2005 05:25 AM  12 years agoPost 17
Lowell Foo

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I started with the S&S tail rotor, and broke it. After buying the MicroHeli tail rotor, it's clearly a stronger piece. I suppose it's not really an issue if you don't crash, but I'd rather have a more crash resistant part, all other things being equal.
As for the Duzi head parts, they all kick ass, except for the dog bone links between the blade grip and mixing arm. Those are too thin around the bearings, as the bending loads on them loosen up the aluminum and the bearing pops out. One of mine also cracked at the tip, also popping the bearing out. I have since switched back to conventional ball links for those.

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05-07-2005 05:33 AM  12 years agoPost 18
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Wow, didn't expect so many replies. Keep them coming. Everyone has differing opinions on each of the different tail grips. I guess can't go wrong with any one of them.. One more thing... i didn't realise that there are that many different manufacturers producing aftermarket tail grips for the Hornet. So many choices!

Mr Carbon, my bad in the pricing, indeed the MS ones are slightly cheaper. The only gripe i have is that the screws used to secure the grips and the hub to the tail shaft are tiny and rare 1.6mm screws while others (though i am not sure about MH ones) uses 2mm screws which are a lot easier to source and not to mention stronger too. I'll drop down my local MS distributor and see whether he brings the tail grips in and see it first hand.

Helilab and Lowell, what size screws are used to secure the grips to the hub for the MH tail rotor? The MH ones are definitely the nicest looking one. But still have reservations regarding the soft alu that they are using. Don't get me wrong, I have their tail GB and its great but its on the soft side. My friend has the swash and if not careful while snapping the ball links onto the ball, the swash holding the ball might bend

Den of earth, crux12, I agree the S&S ones are the best due to the thrust bearings. But I am afraid the way they are constructed, if i crash (i crash often doing silly things!) they might pop open. Secondly they are very expensive too and Dee Tee doesn't ship to my country. But still the nicest ones... the amount of machining and detail to it is incredible...

Thanks for all the replies.. keep them coming
Will wait and think more before i decide..

Hornet X3D : GY401, 9CHP, AXI, MS116+____Evo 50, 50SXH

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05-11-2005 02:25 AM  12 years agoPost 19
ChrisT88

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The strongest setup you'll find is the Duzi grips. When you do bump the tail on the ground, the hub will bend (metal grips are the blame) and you'll want to find replacements easily.

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