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05-04-2005 04:25 PM  12 years agoPost 1
I_like_to_crash

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I have a Feda dragon fly and an xrb sr lama...and i have gotten pretty good with it.....i think its time to move up. (the dragonfly refuses to fly/stay together) A friend suggested a raptor 50, but I was thinking more of like mabey a Trex 450 or something.....or a raptor 30...Im not sure...so confusing so many choises. What do you guys think would be the next plan of attack? Thanks for your help!

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05-04-2005 04:48 PM  12 years agoPost 2
Zephan

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I started out with the Rappy 50 and it has been great! I've seen them operate in an experienced 3D pilots hands and it is a fully capable bird (I'm far from 3D still). What I've seen of the Trex it looks like a mini raptor. Haven't seen it do 3D, but I would guess that it 3D's well. The larger nitro helis will handle windy conditions better than one of the electric mini's, but you can fly the electric mini's indoors. If you are going to go with a Raptor, I'd recommend the 50 with the hyper engine.


Trex600N & Trex450SE... DAMN! Another radio glitch!

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05-04-2005 05:10 PM  12 years agoPost 3
blockatvalpo

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I second the Raptor 50. Great heli at a great price. If you get the 30, you will wish you had bought the 50. Upgrading is a pain in the rear trust me.

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05-04-2005 05:25 PM  12 years agoPost 4
I_like_to_crash

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Thanks for the replies, Yea i guess i should go with the raptor...i just like the "simplicity and ease" of the electrics..oh well i guess its time to give it a try.

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05-04-2005 05:30 PM  12 years agoPost 5
blockatvalpo

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I have tried the micro electrics, and hated them. I think nitro is so much easier to use. Plus, with nitro, there is not charging batteries to fly, just gas and go (besides the rx and tx).

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05-04-2005 05:35 PM  12 years agoPost 6
I_like_to_crash

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Yea thats true... i just love the lama, its so stable...i havent had much luck with nitros in cars.....after about a year something serious goes wrong and they just sit on my shelves....mabey it wont happen this time...i hope not..

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05-04-2005 05:52 PM  12 years agoPost 7
Helichomper

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Nice thing with the Rex. you can fly it anywhere. It flys as good as any Nitro. And it will do 3d with the best of the nitros. It handles the wind with no trouble. I have flown in 25 mile an hour wind and it handles great.

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05-04-2005 06:22 PM  12 years agoPost 8
I_like_to_crash

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Have you noticed any problems do to weight or anything? I have heard that it is a heavy heli and is power hungry. I dunno...i do like electrics for the reason that you can just wip out the charger, charge the battery and go..... its so simple... compared to nitros in my opinion....but then again i havent flown a nitro heli....so i dont know. thanks

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05-04-2005 06:29 PM  12 years agoPost 9
blockatvalpo

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Nitro helis are nothing like nitro cars. I used to do cars and like you, I no longer use them. I sold two of mine on ebay and kept one. I get it out when I think about it and drive it around 2-3 times. Helis are so much more exciting and you usually will break the parts before they wear out. Come to think of it, I haven't worn out a single part yet since I have had my heli (3+ years now). The t-rex is a great heli. If you like electric, stay with them. You already know that electrics are a huge investment. The main reason I haven't gotten into them, is the cost factor and lipos scare me.

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05-04-2005 06:32 PM  12 years agoPost 10
polyhedron

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I have flown in 25 mile an hour wind and it handles great.
I've seen a trex fly before in the wind, and it in no way compares to the stability of the raptor 50.

Even with my raptor 50, i don't go flying in windstorms. I haven't been out too many days that I didn't think a trex could fly pretty well.


--Matt

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05-04-2005 06:35 PM  12 years agoPost 11
Chem Geek

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IF you want Nitro, get a 50. I suggest an Evo 50, although a Rappy 50 is very good too. IF you want electric, a T-Rex is good, or you could look at bigger ones, but they're much more expensive.

I think electrics are easier in the fact that there's no engine tuning to do really. But once a nitro is set, you just land and refill. Much quicker than charging a battery pack, unless you have multiple packs, which can be $$$$. At least for Lipo's. I thought electrics would be cool, but due to flying area constraints, I have to go to a field unless I want to fly a micro, so I'd just rather get the cheaper power of nitro. Plus I love that smell!

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05-04-2005 06:39 PM  12 years agoPost 12
I_like_to_crash

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Well i always thought of the nitros to be a bigger cost than electrics. Im not really worried about the wind issue.. i would only fly when its real calm. I do that with my lama... i take it out only when there appears to be 0 wind.

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05-04-2005 06:45 PM  12 years agoPost 13
blockatvalpo

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After adding in the lipos and a good charger I found that nitro ends up being cheaper. Not to mention I don't want to have a battery pack that costs $400 go bad.

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05-04-2005 06:52 PM  12 years agoPost 14
MikeC

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its so simple... compared to nitros in my opinion....
You're right, there. I fly both electric and nitro heli's and fixed wing and the electrics are definitely easier. I think nitro is easier to get into since every nitro heli I've had flew well out of the box whereas most electrics need a fair amount of tweaking and upgrades to do the same. Eventually all of my stuff will be electric, my fixed wing is all electric except for one model that I don't fly much anymore but my Evo 50 will be nitro for a while since the up-front costs of converting it to electric are just too much for me right now.


If a person is interested in flying in areas where space is limited or there are nosie concerns, the decision is easy, electric. If not, it comes down to choice. If you have no or limited experience with nitro I'd definitely seek out the assistance of someone who knows nitro.


Good luck


Mike

Century Swift, TREX 450, Blade MCX, Spektrum DX7

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05-04-2005 06:54 PM  12 years agoPost 15
I_like_to_crash

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400 bucks ?! what the....what is it like a 90000 mah lipo? well thats pretty insane.....but if i cant decide between those two then ill get an lmh corona to hold me over till i make a decision. Doesnt the cost of fuel cost a bit too after a while?

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05-04-2005 07:59 PM  12 years agoPost 16
rotorookie

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If you can stand the smell and the smoke (which by the way is great) of nitro fuel, get at raptor 50 v2 and start enjoying heli flight wether its windy or not.
I started off with a Kyosho concept 30 some 4 months ago and spent the first 2 months hovering before I could pluck up enough guts to do forward flights. I since migrated to a Rappie 50 and really enjoy it.

LETSGOFLY

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05-04-2005 08:44 PM  12 years agoPost 17
I_like_to_crash

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Its not the smoke and smell.....its more of the noise..(quite annoying)...the intimidation....and its size in general.

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05-04-2005 08:55 PM  12 years agoPost 18
blockatvalpo

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The $400 batteries are for the big boys, not the t-rex's. But if you want to do 3d with an electric, you will have to get the lipos. Weight matters a lot more with them vs the nitros. Remember that all batteries die at some point and you have to take more precautions when charging the bigger batteries. I would love the get a nice electric, but they are just to expensive. Like another poster said, when you buy a stock electric, you have the tendency to upgrade a lot more than you do with a nitro heli. If you start with Nimh batteries, and decide to go to Lipos, you need to get a new ESC and a new charger if yours doesn't currently do it. If I were you, I would create a spreadsheet and compare electric to nitro. Price it out and see what fits your budget. Include everything that you will need on that list so that you don't come across many hidden costs.

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05-04-2005 10:14 PM  12 years agoPost 19
MikeC

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400 bucks ?! what the....what is it like a 90000 mah lipo? well thats pretty insane
It's not insane when you think of the fact that the battery is the cases of glow fuel you don't have to buy. But as I said, these high up-front costs are what are keeping me from going to an electric to replace my Evo 50. That plus the fact that the jury is still out as far as how long the batteries in these larger models will last. If the battery pack will last 500 or so flights, it's cheaper than glow fuel. If not, it's more. Plus there's the danger of a crash, with the battery placement on your typical heli the battery is almost certain to sustain damage as well. One of the cells on my Shogun's battery was damaged when it went in, now it's a 2 cell battery for one of my other models.

I'm slowly switching everything to electric because I think it's the way to go. The lower end stuff is not a problem. Buying motors, batteries and ESC's for a smaller heli or fixed wing is much cheaper than for the larger models and many times you don't really have a nitro option there anyway, especially if you want to fly at the local park/school yard/soccer field. For me it's not a question of electric or glow since I have both. Each has it's pros and cons.


Mike

Century Swift, TREX 450, Blade MCX, Spektrum DX7

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05-05-2005 03:30 AM  12 years agoPost 20
Helichomper

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My trex has no upgrades and flew right from the box beautifully. The batterys cost me thirty five dollars apiece and last at least six hundred cycles. The Rex is very tame in heavy wind.

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