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05-02-2005 05:55 PM  12 years agoPost 1
jhugs

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I am thinking about purchasing a new charger.

I am looking at either buying the triton dc computerized charger or the duratrax ice competition charger.

Does anyone have any suggestions or comments on either of these chargers. I plan on charging NiMH packs for now.

Thanks in Advance.

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05-02-2005 06:23 PM  12 years agoPost 2
jhugs

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Or this MRC super brain
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...p?&I=LXEVC7&P=7

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05-02-2005 08:44 PM  12 years agoPost 3
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Go with the ice if you are charging lipo packs that require up to 8amp charge rates. Go with the triton if you have more than 10 nicad/nimh cells in series to charge. The triton will also do lead acid as well. I have an Orbit as well as the ICE. I used to own a triton previos to the orbit. The problem with the triton was that it was limited to a maximum charge current of 2.5amps when charging lipo. The ice can charge up to 8amps on the lipo setting. Also since i raced 1/12 scale cars the triton was limited to 2.5 amps on a 4 cell nicad pack as well. For the GP3300 cells i was using this charge rate was too low. For racing conditions i would normally charge my packs at 2c or 6.6amps to get the most performance out of the cells.

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05-02-2005 11:37 PM  12 years agoPost 4
Fullagas

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The newer Tritons can charge Nicad/Nimhs up to 5 amps.

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05-03-2005 12:18 AM  12 years agoPost 5
jhugs

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That super brain sounds so apealling. AC and DC. What do you guys think. Im new to this "upgrade the charger" thing. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. The charger that i decide to buy will be mainly charging GP3300 4 cell packs.

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05-03-2005 02:26 AM  12 years agoPost 6
Ace Dude

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This question comes up almost daily. Try doing a search and you will discover a wealth of information.

Before choosing a charger you need to determine the number of cells you need to charge and the rate at which you need to charge them.

If you're just looking for something to do TX & RX batteries I'd recommend you take a look at the new Orbit Pocketlader.

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05-03-2005 02:33 AM  12 years agoPost 7
Ted Toth

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Ace Dude has it right see what you need
but if the Triton fits the bill it is pretty much plug and play

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05-03-2005 03:54 AM  12 years agoPost 8
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I have both the 969 and Triton chargers....

I run both all three (2 Tritons 1 969) off a 25 amp power supply.

The pros.....

969 comes with a ps, but it is limited on current capablilities
969 seems automatically determines chemistry...LIPO is done diff
969 has two outputs, I reg charge using both outputs at 4.5 amps a piece

Triton has an easy to use menu system
Triton can go up to 5 amps output
Triton can do multiple charge/discharge cycles
Triton has an External temp sensor option

The Cons

969 menu is limited (Only shows on parameter at a time)
969 is limited to 4.5 amps
969 dosn't have an automatic charge/discharge routine (no automaic cycle)
969 charging using both outputs boggs down menu operations (gets fustrating)
969 won't allow the selection for peak charging current
969 "B" output is a Tamiya Connector...Uhggg
969 charging 3 cell lipos seemed to false peak...

Triton has a conservitive LIPO charge
Triton requires an external AC/DC converter to operate on wall power
Triton does false peak occasionally (NICAD/NIMH)
Triton optional temp sensor is that, optional...and is 9 bucks
Trtion Menu system with all of the adjustable parametrics does pose a slight learning curve.


As you can see, both are good chargers, but do you have some limitations. I prefer the Triton for everyday charging use, but I do use the 969 a lot. I prefer to take the Triton out to the field for charging though.

Hope this helps

Derek

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05-03-2005 04:16 PM  12 years agoPost 9
Fullagas

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Super Phreek,
969 charging 3 cell lipos seemed to false peak...
I've read over-and-over about how the 969 is NOT to be used for lithiums. In fact, an E-Flite 1200 Lipo pack I have specifically says not to use the 969. It's the only charger ever specifically mentioned in any of the pack literature I have, and then it's a negative implication.

I don't mind spending a little more for the peace of mind, I guess.


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05-03-2005 06:47 PM  12 years agoPost 10
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I bought the 969 when they first came out on the premise that it charges Lithium batteries. It is written on the box and noted in the instructions included. This was so I could travel with the electrics without having to lug a powersupply with it. As noted, it did not charge the lithium's very well. Never had a problem of the batteries getting dangerously charged, just they didn't charge. The instructions suggest that you charge lipos using the capacity limit. I did not like the idea either.

I tried to charge Lipos using the 969 once with no success. I do not recommend to run with the 969 for lipos. I just wanted to list my exp with both units. However, the 969 works well with NICAD/NIMH charging, I do like the dual outputs...

I use the Triton for lipo charging with success. I agree with you; there isn't anything wrong with a conservative charge for lipos.

Derek

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05-03-2005 06:53 PM  12 years agoPost 11
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So basically what i gather is both chargers(triton and the 969) are good chargers and you guys would recommend them to me?

I just want good charger that lasts and gets the job done!

All posts and comments are much appreciated to help make this decision.

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05-03-2005 07:07 PM  12 years agoPost 12
Super Phreek

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I would recommend the Triton over the 969. The Triton gives some room to grow. If you are not planning on running Lipos ever, then go with the 969. The included powersupply is nice to have.

Derek

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05-04-2005 12:38 AM  12 years agoPost 13
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I would have to agree with Super Phreek about the Triton over the 969. The Triton is a bit more daunting to learn your way around, but once you learn, it is a very good charger.
I also just picked up the Orbit Pocketlader from Radical RC, and I have to say, this is one great little charger (although it still needs a DC power supply). Much more intuitive than the Triton, and will charge any battery as well.

And trust me, you may say " The charger that i decide to buy will be mainly charging GP3300 4 cell packs", but I can just about promise you that you will want the capability to do other batteries eventually.

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05-04-2005 01:05 AM  12 years agoPost 14
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I recieved the temp. sensor and charging lead with my triton. Is this supposed to be extra? I thought it was standard.

JKru

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05-04-2005 01:20 AM  12 years agoPost 15
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I recieved the temp. sensor and charging lead with my triton. Is this supposed to be extra?
the leads come standard you got lucky
but the TritonThermal Probe is $8.99
extra

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05-04-2005 05:17 AM  12 years agoPost 16
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Well after viewing all the information about about the three chargers that i previously stated, I think im going to go with the ice competion charger. The options as well as display are very nice. If you have the ice charger let me know how you like it. Thanks in Advance

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05-04-2005 05:29 AM  12 years agoPost 17
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i'm using the Hobbico Mkll field charger myself with great success...

it will do Ni-cad Ni-Mh, and lithiums. easy to use, lots of safety features, and will do two packs at a time at charge rates of 2 amps on both packs. it comes in handy having the two charging ports, and atleast for me, 2amp charge rate is plenty....

it only does up to 8 cells nicad and Mh, not the 10 that the triton does.

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05-04-2005 01:23 PM  12 years agoPost 18
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I have a ICE and an Orbit Charger as i said earlier. The battery chemistries that the ICE supports vastly outperformes most other chargers including my Orbit. At least in the realm of being able to charge at high currents. My orbit is rated to charge 6 amps but it will not charge a 4 cell GP3300 at 6 amps unless the input voltage is close to 10volts instead of being 12 volts. This is because it just doesn't have the output wattage capability to handle the extra heat from first regulating the voltage down from 12v and then pushing the current that you desire. Using a standard 12v battery the ICE will push 8amps from 1cell (ni-starter batteries) to 10 cell batteries. It can also charge lipo 1-4cell series packs all the way to 8 amps as well. Its discharge funtion is more powerful than any other field charger that i know of. Its capable of discharging 10amps on all chemistries to the maximum supported cell count. The Nimh and Nicad modes have delta peak adjustment capability starting from .000v and up incrementing in .001v increments. MY orbit only has 4 preset delta peaks. and can only discharge at a maximum of 25watts without a parallel resistor network. This means that if you wanted to train your nicad/nimh batteries to maintain a high voltage during discharge you would require a resistor network as the 25watts will be easily used up in 4amps using a 4cell gp3300 battery pack. Ideally to train battery packs you need around 10-20 amp loads to discharge the battery pack with. Although it will take life off the battery it will leave you with a nice flat voltage line where 90% is above 5volt under a 4amp load.

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05-04-2005 10:26 PM  12 years agoPost 19
Super Phreek

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I just took a look at the ICE; it looks like a real good charger, good price too. I guess I will have to give it a try. Reading a couple of reviews makes this charger look very good. I was planning on picking up another Triton, I think I wll be giving the ice a try.

Quick question, how is the menu on the charger? What is the learning curve like?


Thanks,

Derek

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05-04-2005 10:51 PM  12 years agoPost 20
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I have decided to not return my triton in favor of the ICE. If you look at the two links and compare them side by side you will find that the Triton is more versatile.

http://www.electrifly.com/chargers/gpmm3150.html

http://www.duratrax.com/caraccys/dtxp4170.html

The one thing that the ICE has a one up on the triton is the display and graphing capabilities. Unfortunately the graphing of charge and discharge voltage curves tells you nothing about the battery itself and is just a gimmick IMHO.

I think there both great chargers from what I can see spec wise. But bang for the buck the Triton is still a better unit. For example the lead acid would be great for charging your field box, I think this is definitely a value add. 5 amp charge is more than enough for a quick charge. I guess if your trying to quick charge 3300 mah, 8 amp would work but even at 8 amps thats a lot of stress on that battery.

Anyways just my two cents...

Thanks
JKru

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