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05-02-2005 04:42 PM  12 years agoPost 1
JohnL

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Well when the raptor gets here on Friday I intend to build it myself (I have my weekend planned!!! - taking the advice of so many on this forum!). A friend of mine told me just to be patient and take my time. I could actually have it built for $50 but I'd rather do it myself so in the event of a crash I know how to fix it. Once I'm done with the build I'm going to pay the $50 for the guy to check over everything. I'm also going to have him trim it out for me and set up the pitch (or tell me how). I'm also going to need the to learn how to set up the radio for both normal and 3D flight. Thursday I'll be picking up the servo's, gyro and reciever so I'll be ready for friday! I'm so excited, I've been flying planes for awhile but still have no building experience. I think I'm going to have alot more fun building and flying rather then just flying (I know I'll Start to appreciate these birds a whole lot more!) I'm sure I'll be on these forums asking questions, anyways Wish me luck!

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05-02-2005 04:53 PM  12 years agoPost 2
Gary

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Is this your first heli? It's good to want to build yourself, I get a lot of enjoyment out of building almost as much as flying. Just make sure and take your time and don't short cut anything. Helis are not forgiving when it comes to that. Take advantage of the beginners forum on this site as well. A lot of questions could be answered from other guys that have also just gotten started.

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05-02-2005 05:17 PM  12 years agoPost 3
blockatvalpo

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I would build it yourself, that is half the fun. For starting out, check out raptortechnique.com and get some hints off there. I wouldn't pay a guy to set it up for you. Go to a local field, and someone there will be more than happy to help you. I paid a guy, and when I got it back, I had no idea what the heck to do. I met some guys in Indiana when I lived there and they helped me out. It was perfect. Setting up the pitch curves and throttle curve isn't that hard. It takes time, but there is nothing more enjoyable than feeling you did it yourself. $50 isn't a lot, but most guys will do it for free. If you lived closer, I would be more than happy to help you out.

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05-02-2005 05:19 PM  12 years agoPost 4
tyuditsky

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I second the no shortcuts advice. Go painstakingly slow, tinker with every part you assemble and see if you can find anything loose, sloppy, about it. There are many places/things where you can make serious improvements by taking your time. Balance everything you can, make sure nothing has free play in it, definately make sure your ball links are sized properly, etc.

Continue asking us questions, we'll give you answers. I fly a Hyper now, it's a great machine IMO. There are tons of pointers on this forum and Raptortechnique.com that'll make your bird that much smoother in flight.

When you have this guy trim it for you, if he does it by the radio, make sure you go back when he's done and mechanically trim it, and recenter the trims in the radio.

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05-02-2005 05:58 PM  12 years agoPost 5
JohnL

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I wish I knew some of the basic improvements I could make while building this bird. Yes it's my first heli (humming bird doesn't count - I sold it yesterday). If I get stuck I'll ask all kinds of questions (probably ask anyways!). This should be alot of fun, haven't built anything in awhile. Anyways, thanks everyone!

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05-02-2005 06:27 PM  12 years agoPost 6
blockatvalpo

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The best advice I can give you, is take your time. There are a lot of parts that go into each area, and if you leave one out, it takes a little while to undo everything and put it back together. The one thing that I wish TT would do is section off the parts. This way you could lay them on the table and work with them. Just make sure you know what all is going where. The head is one of the hardest areas to work on, so concentrate up there. Everything else goes together fairly quickly. Use this forum to your advantage. The Raptor is so popular, that you will have a response back within 10 minutes if that (as long as it is not butt early)

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05-02-2005 06:40 PM  12 years agoPost 7
ez2bgman

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Actually TT does seperate the parts. I just built my first heli, a VelociRaptor 50, from heliproz and every section came in seperate bags. Now the bags weren't labeled, but they were seperate.

John, as everyone already stated, take your time. Use Blue Loctite anywhere you have a metal-to-metal screw/bolt. When assembling the Mavvrikk head, refer to the products and reviews area of heliproz. Here is the link: http://www.heliproz.com/prodlist.html

If you do get stuck on anything be sure to ask on here.

Good luck.

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05-02-2005 07:06 PM  12 years agoPost 8
JohnL

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Thanks again! I have plenty of lock tight so I'll be sure to use it! Really looking forward to this build! I'll start with the head for sure!

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05-02-2005 07:09 PM  12 years agoPost 9
blockatvalpo

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Actually TT does seperate the parts. I just built my first heli, a VelociRaptor 50, from heliproz and every section came in seperate bags. Now the bags weren't labeled, but they were seperate.
I have the V1, and I don't remember them being seperated real well. The v2 might be different. It would be nice for the baggies to be numbered, but that is a small detail.

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05-02-2005 07:21 PM  12 years agoPost 10
Blackhawk101

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As far as your "Set up" is concerned.... FORGET the 3D part!!! Just have your Pitch Curve & Throttle Curve set to the very BASIC... ie Lower: -1 to -2 Deg's.... Upper: +9 to +10 Deg's..... That is all you will need for quite a while! Learn to Hover & move around with these settings! It will save you some major damage! I don't know how much experience you have but a Nitro Raptor is much different than the little Electric you had.... The power & response is magnified by 100, or so.
Good luck!
Chuck (Blackhawk101)

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05-02-2005 07:32 PM  12 years agoPost 11
tyuditsky

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Actaully, steer clear of the lock-tite, use some CA instead if there's plastic around. Lock-tite will eat away at your plastic.


again, http://www.raptortechnique.com spend yourself a couple hours looking through all the pages there and you'll be covered.

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05-02-2005 08:03 PM  12 years agoPost 12
Gary

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Fasteners in plastic get CA, in metal they get loctite. In regard to TT fasteners, if they would not put so many extras in each kit they could easily knock another 20 bucks off the price. My first 90 SE had almost as many spares as it did to build it.

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05-02-2005 08:59 PM  12 years agoPost 13
ez2bgman

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Let me clear one thing up here. As far as setup should be, you should setup your mechanical linkages to their maximum throws (as mentioned in raptortechnique.com). Then use the radio to adjsut the "curves" to suit your level of flying. I have my Raptor 50v2 setup with +/- 9 degrees of maximum pitch, but have it limited to +9/-2 for normal mode and +9/-5 for idle 1. I haven't set up idle 2 yet because I am not at that level. By setting everything up for maximum travel with the machanical liankages, you won't have to go back and readjust the linkages as your skills progress. All that is needed is to adjust the "curves" in your radio.

As Gary stated, I used thin CA where ever a screw went into plastic and blue Loctite when the screw went into metal. I have the VelociRaptor package and it came with a mostly metal head (everything except the head block and blade grips). This required Loctite just about everywhere in the head.

John, I wouldn't start with the head. Just follow the directions. I found it easier to try to match the upgrades to the factory pieces prior to assembly. This is the one area that heliproz doesn't give you any help with. All the upgrade are placed in the box with everything else without any type of supplemental sheet. The link I provided earlier is great to get a visual idea of how some of these parts go together.

Later

Gary
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05-02-2005 09:26 PM  12 years agoPost 14
helibird

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Got to ask...who's charging you $50 bucks to set it up? I can see if you were having him build it, but just to help you set it up seems a bit much. Unless there was quite a bit of travel required or some other reason. Most people in this hobby are more then happy to help a newbie, we've all been there. If you do pay $50 make sure you get your money worth, tell him that you want to be present when he is going over it and have him explain what/why he's doing.

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05-02-2005 09:30 PM  12 years agoPost 15
Jeff Greunke

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i would recommend test fitting the parts before final assembly. the bags of parts are not labeled and it is easy to get some parts mixed up. i've built 2 Raptors so far and it's a blast, your gonna have fun. try setting up your radio yourself, but have an experienced pilot check it for you. raptor techniques website is excellent for building and setting up raptors. i've practically printed the entire site while building my Raptors Welcome to the sport of flying nitro power helis, your gonna love it.

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05-02-2005 09:33 PM  12 years agoPost 16
Wally_Gator

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The one metal to metal part that does NOT use loctite or CA is the pinion gear to clutch bell.

The v2's are separated by general steps in bags..

I had my setup checked out by a local pilot at the field. He competes so I feel confident that he knows his stuff. (not to mention his place of employment and sponsors)

He took it up and had only 2-3 suggestions for adjustments.
That was nice to see and hear..

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05-02-2005 09:34 PM  12 years agoPost 17
Gary

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I agree with ez2bgman, until you have a few builds under you just follow the book. I've built so many now I don't even need a book anymore. The only thing I haven't got fully memorized now are the lengths on the rods so I wrote em down on a sheet of paper.

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