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05-03-2005 02:31 PM  12 years agoPost 41
JerryLu

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Thanks Pete, that is reassuring to know as we are a small club (8 members) and only have 2 A cert Heli flyers.

It did of course seem rather strange as the insurance is issued to "Country" members without any obvious qualification (of the cover that is).

Strange I should get this from an examiner but from my reading of the BMFA guide on the tests he had a somewhat pedantic interpretation of the recommended procedure for the tests. Must remember not to invite him to test us.


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05-03-2005 03:34 PM  12 years agoPost 42
arceye

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Is it possible that this thread can end now please ?

It has now become a thread that seems to be discussing the validity of the 'A' test instead of what it should be which is a celebration for helitubbie on a great achievement on passing his 'A' test.

It is doen's really matter if the candidate for the test is a 3d master or not, the whole idea of the test is to show that the pilot has gained the control needed to control the heli and be safe from arriving at the filed on the day till the end of the day.

What MATTERS is helitubbie has now achieved that level of skill and safetly, and is overjoyed with the achievement and wanted to tell the world.

Again helitubbie, I will say congratulations on a job well done, keep up the good work and happy flying.


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05-03-2005 03:58 PM  12 years agoPost 43
Yug

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Hear hear
Good on yu mate.

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05-03-2005 04:43 PM  12 years agoPost 44
G-DAVE

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Is it possible that this thread can end now please ?
It's entirely possible - and most likely will when all the members that wish too, have had there say -
I share the joy of Helitubbie's Achievement - and also applaud the way most contributors seemed to support the Scheme after it came under attack in this Thread.

Dave
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05-03-2005 08:01 PM  12 years agoPost 45
zoom boy

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Attack, more like questioning its meaning because there are many pilots out there that are well above the skill level to pass it, but choose to not even bother taking the test, so keeping that in mind, from that POV what does it mean.

You could have two pilots, one without the certificate and one with and you still wouldnt know who is the better pilot until they got into the air.

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05-03-2005 08:02 PM  12 years agoPost 46
heligoole

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also to point out that its not just about flying ability.the A candidate must show good preflight checking ability.Knowledge of BMFA rules...frequency checks/safety...etc ..etc..then answer questions on the BMFA Handbook of Safety rules...all this as well as being able to control safely the heli(or plank)...admittedly a brilliant 3d flyer SHOULD know these things....but do they all?

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05-03-2005 10:52 PM  12 years agoPost 47
jonle

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Amen

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05-03-2005 11:19 PM  12 years agoPost 48
G-DAVE

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Zoomboy say's
You could have two pilots, one without the certificate and one with and you still wouldnt know who is the better pilot until they got into the air.
The point of the Achievement Scheme is not to establish who is better than who - or who has skills far beyond that which is needed to pass an A cert . but to give an indication that a certain level of competence has been reached.
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05-04-2005 08:24 AM  12 years agoPost 49
helitubbie

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Thank you arceye!

The flying part of the A certificate was the easy part for me i found the Questions the difficult area.

I think pilots who can fly loops, rolls, flips etc without being able to nose in land (hover) is bloody ridiculous! and should not be allowed.

Recently we had an accident at our club where a pilot (B Cert) lost control of his tail rotor, subsequently lost control of the model which flew into the car park area and hit someone. An ambulance was required!
This shows that however safely you run your club accidents can still happen.
Safety must be the most important aspect of our pastime to minimise these occurances.

EVERYONE IS A SAFETY OFFICER

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05-04-2005 09:53 PM  12 years agoPost 50
zoom boy

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I think pilots who can fly loops, rolls, flips etc without being able to nose in land (hover) is bloody ridiculous! and should not be allowed
Agree 100%.
The point of the Achievement Scheme is not to establish who is better than who - or who has skills far beyond that which is needed to pass an A cert . but to give an indication that a certain level of competence has been reached.
I know that, but I guess what I really want to know is why it isnt mandatory (at least the A cert) as soon as the pilot is capable as a condition of insurance.

It does give an indication of a certain level of competence, but unless everyone takes the test (which is definatly not the case) then using that as the primary means of deciding wether the person is ok to let fly on their own is not going to tell you much, then there are always going to be cases where a person should not have been given the certificate, just like there are certain people out there who should definatly not have a driving licence.

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05-05-2005 11:11 PM  12 years agoPost 51
G-DAVE

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From Zoomboy
It does give an indication of a certain level of competence
That's all we are saying Thank you!!
Dave

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05-05-2005 11:16 PM  12 years agoPost 52
heligoole

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insurance is needed for beginners even before "a" certification...so to make the "a" a neccessity for beginners makes the learning non insured is ludicrous...lets help beginners not impede them

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05-06-2005 03:44 PM  12 years agoPost 53
zoom boy

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That's all we are saying Thank you!!
but......

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05-06-2005 03:44 PM  12 years agoPost 54
zoom boy

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Heligoole, that is not what I meant

To ellaborate, like with people that take advanced driving licences, they get lower insurance rates, maybe the same could be applied to model insurance, if you take the A, you get the rates lowered, and if you take the B, they get lowered again.

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05-06-2005 04:39 PM  12 years agoPost 55
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Hi

I have to add my bit on this,

the comments are correct, the test is an indiaction that a pilot has reached a level of competance, and has a basic understanding of safety and basics on flying.

Hence the reason there is no nose in manouvers and only manouver that takes you out of the FAI box ( lazy 8's) the idea behind the A test is to obtain a basic level of control and an understadning of the rules and safety requirements.

It does not make you any better, once you pased it it is a caseof keeping to that standard and building upon it in both flying skills and knowedge of safety and set up.

I have seen a few B test pilots pass their B test and then come to a club competition and crash their hellie trying to do a left hand slow hovering circuit.

I have also seen pilots that can loop, roll, hover inverted, and say" how good i am" to which my response is , to walk out onto runway and knock a marker in the runway and then say "right hover over that marker, and move round at 3 second intervals in all orientations " the smile quickly drops!

I have learnt from the A test control, and i am now waiting to do the B test, which i can do easily as i have spent nearly year mastering those angles in the hover, so much so i have enterd the Sportsmans level in FAI,

as one poster said - you got to be a pillock to attempt rolls and loops with out mastering those angels in the hover, i have seen expensive models crash whilst doing acrobatics, due to the wind moving the rudder causing the hellie to move into a diffcult orientaion. sadly these pilots still look down on hovering as boring, but i turn round and say i have only crashed once, whereas they have crashed 10 +

The tests are there as a guide, the key is to keep up with the level and not go back to undiscilined, as one chief examiner said to me "the tests are like a driving test, once you passed it is really the beginning of flying "

i have to agree

in line with this thread - congratulations to hellietubby, now build on the skills you learnt and work towards the B, good luck i look forwar dto seeing your post on passing the B

All The Best

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05-06-2005 04:59 PM  12 years agoPost 56
TOSH

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I have seen a few B test pilots pass their B test and then come to a club competition and crash their hellie trying to do a left hand slow hovering circuit.
So how did they pass.
How many is a few?

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05-06-2005 06:23 PM  12 years agoPost 57
MattJen

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So how did they pass.
that was my question exactly to which i was told, it is how you are on the day, which i think is total cobblers,

In my opinion if you pass the B then you should be able to do it anytime and anwhere, which i have been able to do, someone asked me to demonstrate the test, and even though i havent taken it yet, i have practised it hard enough to do it my sleep (not literally)

a few is pilots is 9

i do feel the B test needs to be looked at, as from that test you can fly in public displays, which is why i am surprised there is not an auto landing, only the 45o decent, i can see that being changed soon, cos what happens if you get an engine failure whilst in a display ? i have seen that happen at sandwown and i know it has happned at charmouth

Matt

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05-06-2005 07:04 PM  12 years agoPost 58
TOSH

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a few is pilots is 9
l can see why not many have bothered to take that test.l think they must have had a friendly examiner.

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