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HelicopterOff Topics › English only laws, whats your take?
04-01-2005 10:01 PM  13 years agoPost 1
Salty

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well along with the WAY off topic forum, whats ya'lls take on english only laws (where immigrants will be required to learn conversational english as a stipulation to citizenship) I for one am all for it, first you have the law enforcment standpoint (person gets in a interaction with a lawman that does not speak or understand english there is a possiblity that things can go bad; the example I have is one of my buddys who is a cop made a traffic stop on a non english speaking gent and his buddy, and the individuals would not take their right hands out of their pocket, upon drawing his weapon, the individuals did put their hands up...turns out cops in mexico are dishonest to say the least and take peoples money as bribes, the two individuals did not want to let go of the cash that was in their pockets) my second point is just of the fact that if your in america you should speak the language I'm sick and tired going to a store and the clerk dosent speak english....I'm not saying folks should give up their heratige but learning to communicate would be helpful, If I moved to italy I would do my darndest to be able to at least communicate with folks, and it would be expected to some extent....so whats ya'lls take on it? I'm not looking for a flame fight for it was not intended as such...just different perspectives.

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04-01-2005 10:36 PM  13 years agoPost 2
tadawson

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I thought that basic english proficiency was already a requirement for citizenship.

?????

In any case, I support it. Anyone is welcome to come to this country, but they must make at least a basic effort to actually become a part of it - like speaking the national language . . . . paying taxes . . . . . . etc.

- Tim

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04-01-2005 11:25 PM  13 years agoPost 3
Kraken

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I whole-heartedly agree.

But I also think that people should hold on to their heritage - and bi-lingual people typically become very productive to society. So if you want your children to learn and hold on to your family's customs, beliefs, and language - GREAT! But make 'em learn Americanese too!

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04-01-2005 11:53 PM  13 years agoPost 4
pcliftonjr

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Works for me...I would'nt move to Japan and expect them to put everything in English (Even though most of it is...but you get my point).

Paul

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04-02-2005 02:51 AM  13 years agoPost 5
Topher

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its good in theory, but some one with an opposing argument could point out natural US citizens from arkansas and downtown detroit dont speak any english either

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04-02-2005 03:08 AM  13 years agoPost 6
Inspector Fuzz

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I think it's a great idea, but...
It is not going to happen while Senor Jorge Bush is in office.. If he had his way, he would be shipping illegal immigrants across our border in air-conditioned busses and then quartering them in the living rooms of our homes..
JEFF

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04-02-2005 08:27 PM  13 years agoPost 7
Gearhead

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""if your in america you should speak the language""
""I'm not saying folks should give up their heratige""

I agree !! but this is the USA and they have rights

Jim

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04-03-2005 12:24 AM  13 years agoPost 8
Ted Toth

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""if your in america you should speak the language""
You mean Spanish.....

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04-03-2005 12:55 AM  13 years agoPost 9
CHamm

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I agree, speak the language or get the heck out. I couldn't stand to live in a foreign country and not know the language.



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04-03-2005 01:36 AM  13 years agoPost 10
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Fact of the matter is that (probably) no-one of you speak english.

The language you are using is "American", and should not be confused with the queens english.

But, on the serious side, as a foreigner that has played with the idea of moving "over there", I feel that being proficient in english should be a requirement for all immigrants.

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04-03-2005 08:44 AM  13 years agoPost 11
Kraken

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Wow - you took both sides! Are you a politician there or something?!?

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04-04-2005 06:04 AM  13 years agoPost 12
Salty

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Cool, some well put points, like I said I in no way think folks should give up their heratige, meaning they can keep their own language, but they should be fairly well versed in "american" as well. as far as them being in america and having rights your right as well, but dont we as the populous have the right to be able to communicate with the immigrants as well? it does work both ways. heck if they want to talk in their primary language about my lack of style and I cant understand it thats fine too...no skin off my nose...I know I dont have style...I couldnt dress myself stylishly out of a cardboard box...thats why I'm a mil spec guy...I wear the same thing every day!

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04-04-2005 07:35 AM  13 years agoPost 13
sharam

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While I wish everyone did speak "American" in the US, making it a legal requirement flies in the face of the US constitution - freedom of expression issues!

Which "American" would it be? Texan, NY, NJ, Californian, MN?

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04-04-2005 07:36 AM  13 years agoPost 14
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Personally I would like to see to it that all immigrants, past, present and future learn to speak,read and write english on at least a Junior High School level but this will never happen and we all know why.

Here in Northern California this can be a really frustrating problem. Many long term residents, legal and illegal, never bother to learn the language or don't want to learn it since they can get what they want better if they scream discrimination in a foreign language. Of course, all this info on how to milk the Americans goes right back to Asia, Mexico, Eastern Europe and elsewhere which attracts even more of them. We are the welfare suckers of the planet. We pay - they collect. Then they retire wealthy to where they came from and send their next generation here to repeat the process. California prints drivers license manuals in over 25 different languages! What happens when one of these foreign drivers who doesn't understand our language or read street or traffic signs drives a car - it's a friggin disaster that's what it is. I see it every day here. They cause a huge accident, never get insurance, get into trouble with the law over it then go back home, change their name and come back to repeat the process.
We are the repository for all the freeloaders in the world now.

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04-04-2005 01:45 PM  13 years agoPost 15
Jarold C

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How do we seperate "tourists" that don't speak English from immigrants?

Understand, I agree in principle, if you live in a country, you speak the language.

But, I was in Europe last February, travelling through 4 countries, of which only one had any english spoken. I couldn't read their signs (thank goodness they ALL use those international ones), couldn't understand commands from the police ( I am a cop), and couldn't even GUESS what I was eating.
If they had been as tough on me as we want to be on immigrants, I would have ended up in jail, or at the very least, starving and lost.
The French were the only ones with attitudes about english speaking people, and we call them "rude". Even they were OK if you tried a little French on them (even my TERRIBLE French )

How many of you have gone to Mexico for a month and bothered to learn enough Spanish to meet all the requirements your throwing out there?

Again, I like a national language for those who want to be citizens, but....

Guess what? I just saved a ton of money on my Auto(rotation) insurance!

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04-04-2005 02:44 PM  13 years agoPost 16
wolfdad

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One of the highest priority "pet peeves" on my long list for two big reasons;

1.) How many consumers have bothered to even consider the cost of printing instructions for their purchases in 3, 4 and sometimes even more languages. Screw that crap. If it's made in the US, print the instructions in english and let other consumers learn the language and let us pay a little less.

2.) In my 26 years in the Navy and, having traveled rather abundantly, I never saw any other country even attempt to put into english directions, instructions or indications for even the most commonly used facilities, conveyances or conveniences.

So, I am most definitely of the "when in Rome, do as the Romans..." philsophy.

wolfdad sends...

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04-04-2005 03:01 PM  13 years agoPost 17
brooksnb

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Canadians are forced to learn the French language if they want to work in policing or government....I say to you....Make it law before the minority forces you to adopt their language !!

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04-04-2005 06:24 PM  13 years agoPost 18
ShempHoward

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Jarold - Tourists are not the problem.

Your analogy of traveling in other countries where you had great difficulty making yourself understood is a great example to my gripe. In what other country do they bend over backwards pissing away tons of money to print numerous gov't documents in a plethora of different languages? If you come here to reside then learn the language don't hide behind your original language for 30 years pretending you don't understand english until someone cheats you or does something you object to. This is a big problem here - long term residents who never learn even basic english.

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04-04-2005 08:04 PM  13 years agoPost 19
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Pathogens

You are a total A$$ ...I don't think our country has done you any direct harm ....except of course harbour a few of your cowards and draft dogers !!

I am proud of my country with it's faults....if I were to speak about the USA the same as you do Canada ...well that would bring me down to your level...a snakes belly !!

I thought you were a decent person...you have proved me wrong !!

Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.... Dennis

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04-04-2005 09:39 PM  13 years agoPost 20
Salty

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Did I miss something??? I went back and reread everything and dont think anything warrented comments in the negative....the only reason I brought this up is because of a college assignment I I wanted to know what ya'll think, I'm no expert and there is a diverse demographics here on RR...I didnt intend this to be a slam fest just a discussion.

personally there is a difference to tourist and citizen, tourist arnt required to learn the language as they are visiting, citizens have made the commitment to reside here, seems to me they as permanent citizens can make the commitment to learn the language of the land.

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