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03-30-2005 05:55 AM  13 years agoPost 1
SPB

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Do you have a favorite approach side? I mean do you like the heli coming from your right side or left side?

I found out that most of the times I am starting an auto from the right side and from various videos I am studying most of the pilots are autoing from right to left.

Also I have started practicing some inverted autos. I find it easier as the heli comes inverted nose in to flip and land it with a backward motion tail in. So far I have never tryed to roll it (in the real life) cause in the simulator I find it more difficult and 4-5 out of 10 attempts (in the sim) ends with a crash. Do you also find it more difficult to roll the heli during an inverted auto?


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03-30-2005 06:04 AM  13 years agoPost 2
Peter65

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I prefer to come from left to right. I guess I'm different but I have noticed Alan Jr seems to alway auto left to right too. Atleast in the videos but I really doubt he has a prefered side to anything

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03-30-2005 07:35 AM  13 years agoPost 3
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Left to right is my prefered direction, forward landing on my right.
Coming in backwards I still like to come in L to R but land tail first on my left side, R to L is a bit easier going backwards for me.
I need to work on this , as far as rolling out of inverted or pushover
exit, I think the roll out is easier, just watch your stick movement and collective management, go easy, there's a lot less energy in the blades.
If you do the pushover exit it helps to keep some pos while the heli is still moving forward inverted transitioning, to keep the headspeed up and keep from balloning .
You can use less pos and close to 0 and it will balloon / climb up a bit then transition back to neg backwards descent, the slight climb will kill off some head speed though.

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03-30-2005 12:19 PM  13 years agoPost 4
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So we all have a prefered approaching direction in autos

I 'll have to practice a lot the L to R approach and the roll out from inverted though.


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03-30-2005 12:47 PM  13 years agoPost 5
Pete Niotis

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Sotiris,

The reason we all have a favorite side is that we usually have better orientation from one of the two side orientations. I had noticed this a few years ago and started working on approaches from my weak side, eventually your side orientations balance out if you work on them.

Practice rolling out of inverted auto a little higher at first...it will allow you to get the feel for it. Make sure your inverted approaches are very controlled. If your inverted approaches are making you feel overworked mentally...it will not help when you want to flip or roll out of the auto. Basically...as you gain more control of the approaches, especially with inverted autos you stay ahead of the heli and are able to focus more on the exit roll or flip.

Before you roll out or flip out of the inverted approach, you need to back off on the collective or you will kill your headspeed because of excessive pitch and it will not look clean and crisp either.

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03-30-2005 02:49 PM  13 years agoPost 6
Kinger

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For those of you who are landing a particular way (Left to Right or Right to Left), what do you do when the wind changes direction or you go to a FF or field where that approach won't work? Do you shoot an auto with the wind instead of against it?

Pete's spot on (as usual), shoot autos from all orientations so you don't end up having a favorite anymore and that way you can deal with wind coming from any direction. Still working on this myself actually

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03-30-2005 03:11 PM  13 years agoPost 7
mrNoodles

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For those of you who are landing a particular way (Left to Right or Right to Left), what do you do when the wind changes direction or you go to a FF or field where that approach won't work? Do you shoot an auto with the wind instead of against it?
Do them backwards!?
Right to left is prefered, left side facing towards me, feels better to them backwards then from left to right with the right side in.

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03-30-2005 03:30 PM  13 years agoPost 8
Gary

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I've been working on this samw thing. I've been more comfortable approaching from left to right. It's getting better but still needs more work to make it where I'm not having to really think about it. I've just started inverted autos and I've been doing them with the roll out at the end instead of the flip. The hovering "TEE" in all orientations has really helped me pregress even in autos.

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03-30-2005 07:09 PM  13 years agoPost 9
SPB

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As Panos said I am working my weak side all of the time. I am doing fine just not so refined as my strong side.

Pano when flipping (or rolling) from inverted I have 0 pitch. Is that OK or should I keep a little pos or neg?


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03-30-2005 07:34 PM  13 years agoPost 10
Gary

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SPB,

When I was at Curtis' school in the first of this month, he was saying that as you roll out you want 0 pitch until it gets back upright. Almost like a small delay then bring it down.

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03-30-2005 07:36 PM  13 years agoPost 11
helibird

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Don't auto with the wind! I had an extreme close call by autoing with a 10 mph wind (yah I know , stupid!!) With a rap50v2 very difficult to have any headspeed.

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03-30-2005 07:49 PM  13 years agoPost 12
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Thanks Gary. That's what I do 0 zero pitch until it gets back upright. I guess I am in the right path
Don't auto with the wind
Hmmm don't think that any one of us did that


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03-31-2005 04:11 AM  13 years agoPost 13
iflybyu77

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Just was trying today
with different approaches, nose in, L to R, R to L etc.. and of COURSE I had to push it a little farther and did a dramatic left to right, without enough headspeed and wham - frickin boom strike .. likely caused because of the 10-15 mph headwind dropping at the last second.. Barely damaged the V's but of course they must be scrapped.. and a boom .. luckily nothing else though.. Dangit..

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03-31-2005 05:00 AM  13 years agoPost 14
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Barely damaged the V's but of course they must be scrapped
That's the worst. Something similar happened to me last weekend when I show a child going into my helis path while I was in the flare to land the heli. I feed more back elevator to stop the heli killing my head speed so when the skids touched the ground one blade flex so much that passed under the horizontal CF fin and hit the bolt that holds the boom support in the Quick UK horizontal fin mount.

Only the gel coat broke but as you said I have to scrap the blade.

At least when you have a good crash you really destroy the blades


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