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03-29-2005 01:20 PM  13 years agoPost 1
kram7691

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Hi guys, I'm fairly new to helis and have no experience flying other than hovering. I'm having a mental block over flying my trex, I can't bring myself to try anything other than some hovering with it for fear of smashing the thing to pieces. I've been training using reflex xtr and can fly the ezfly trex model all over loop it, roll it, fly and hover nose in without any problem. Just how realistic is the reflex trex model? Will my real trex behave similarly to the sim model or am I going to end up planting the heli in the ground if I try the same maneouvres?

I'd appreciate any comments.

Thanks
Mark

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03-29-2005 01:48 PM  13 years agoPost 2
MMarshall

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I dont have the same sim but can comment on RF3.

If you have downloaded the T Rex models available they fly very simular to the real deal IF and this is a big IF you have everything setup correctly on your real heli.

Remember the sim is a perfect world and the trim and throws are plenty to loop and roll ect... This may/may not corrispond to your real life setup.

Other then this most sims are pretty realistic and sometimes are a little harder then real life due to limited visual effects.

Mainly its a mental block in taking sim to real life... the stick movements are the same but add in wind and nerves and it will "feel" alot worse then it really is.

If it where not for these mental blocks I would be a pro .... As most would... but in real life you cant hit the reset button just like in the sim you cant hit your car and have to file and insurance claim !

I believe sims are an excellent training tool but real life still owns the "pucker" factor.

Gravity is a harsh mistress

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03-29-2005 01:50 PM  13 years agoPost 3
MrMel

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If you can do a stable nose-in in XTR and if you can _control_ the nose-in, that is move the heli where you want it to go and not just do nose-in where the heli is, then you can do it in real-life.

Remember in all sim training you should control the heli, not the other way around.

I had only XTR training for nose in, went out to a field, took it up in hover, bit my arm to overcome the nerves, and turned it nose in, worked well.

However, The T-Rex will most likely move alot more then in XTR when doing the piro, so be prepare to compensate when turning.

I am working on a modification on the EZfly model, I have it so close that its scary how realistic it is compared to my real eCCPM model.
Will post it soon here.

Its just overcoming the nerves, but I can tell you, what a rush when you make the nose in the first time

- Fredrik

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03-29-2005 01:51 PM  13 years agoPost 4
HEDIN

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Hi!
I am still hovering too and I have XTR too.
I think the Ezfly T-rex is similair to my T-rex but its much more
sensitive. Been trying to change values to get the right feeling but
I'm not there yet.
Try your T-rex and feel if it responses the way your sim-heli does. Then go for it. T-rex parts are not expensive...
I think a sim model can be very realistic but the most important thing is that you learn to move the tx sticks in the right direction and with small moves without thinking. For example if your heli goes to one way when hovering nose in you automaticly moves the sticks at right direction to avoid crash

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03-29-2005 01:52 PM  13 years agoPost 5
oragami

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I am not farmiliar with that sim. But i have a real flight, and was in the same boat as yourself. I met a unbelievable 3-D pilot from chicago at this private airport i use to fly at. He simply said to practicd nose ins, sideway hover, and do some figure 8's till you master it. I asked him about the sim as well, and he said it would be the best money ever spent.

If this is your first heli, A T-rex isnt the best choice. The model is pretty cool, but has its quarks. I started life on a shuttle, and now have a raptor, both are 30 size helis. Mastering skills is alot easier on these due to their stability. The T-rex is actually probablly the most stable of all micros. I fly mine in 7 mph winds, and fly pretty confidently. I am not a 3-D guy yet, but am working hard to get there.

T-rex, is by far the most stable of all the micros. But it is sticky when new. It is very hard to control at times, it has the tendency to stick to its last position, and have a mind of its own at times, which causes you to over correct and go into panic mode. You need to practice on something real radical on the sim, something that flicks real fast, practice getting that thing to hover with small, soft corrections. This will help alot, with the panic factor. A little trick i also do is i scramble my trims a bit, (on the sim) and i fly a totally out of trim heli as good as i can, and i eventually get it to sit still, this helps with the panic mode. This also helps instill confidence.

Try some of this stuff. Then go hover. With a good authority on the T-rex, spin it around smoothly and hover nose in, about a foot off the ground,but remember, that it will try to lisp off whem spining it around, jsut be ready to combat it. I dont think you will have any problems. Just give yourself enough room to move around in case you get in trouble and need to spin it around and land tail in or something, and from a foot up, cuting the throttle in panic mode will cause, no to minimal damage, i have done this a couple of times upon setting up curves and what not, and have incured no damages.

I also recommend a HH Gyro if you are not using one. The GY 240 is great and only about 120.00. And one more thing. Make sure your hover tracking is good. Siting on the ground tracking should be monitored, but once the head speed gets up there, make sure it is still within reason. This helps alot in the control dept

Good luck, and update us with your progress.

Craig

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03-29-2005 02:57 PM  13 years agoPost 6
zooom

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Hi,

I'd like to share my experiences too. I'm also a newbie in flying RC models at all. Just been flying real helis and twin turboprop aircrafts. But I can tell model helis is the most difficult to handle so far. All of the training, I did on the Reflex sim and it still helps me alot getting more and more confident with new figures. I learned all standard aerobatics, like loops, rolls, nose-in, inverted etc. on the sim. Last weekend I decided just to try some forward, backward and sideward flips. I just kicked my b*** in a good situation and I did it. Eventually I was quite surprised not having more difficulties than I expected to have. The TRex behaves almost the same like on the sim. Although the motor boged quit a bit after the second flip in a row but I could turn it around. I felt more and more confident and even did a nose-in landing for the first time. So my opinion is to exercise as much as you can on the sim until you almost get bored with the same situation. But this gives you the automatism and the brain and your thumbs get programmed to handle the difficult situations. The big difference is still the thrill factor flying the model, cause every crash hurts and man, I know what I'm talking about.

regards

I believe I can fly....

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03-29-2005 09:03 PM  13 years agoPost 7
kram7691

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Thanks for the comments, I feel a bit reassured, just have to get over the nerves now! Next day it's not raining I'll take the heli out and have a proper go.

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03-29-2005 09:27 PM  13 years agoPost 8
darrens

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If you can hover tail in you already have the "feel" for the machine, so all you need to gain is the orientation and confidence. If you can do what you say on the sim you should have no worries moving forward. I used the sim to take a few steps before doing in the field. I was flying inverted on the sim 3 months before I did at the field, but when I did, it felt great and there was no drama.
Good luck

He who dies with the most toys is the winner!

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03-29-2005 11:30 PM  13 years agoPost 9
mountaindr3wz

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i started hovering now i turned to the left and to the right now im very confident. if u crash its okay because your only new to the whole heli thing. i had a hummingbird and it was very difficult for me to control it now that i have the trex i feel more stable

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