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HelicopterMain Discussion › Outlawing Big Blocked 30 & 50 size helis?
03-31-2005 12:25 AM  13 years agoPost 101
AirWolfRC

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Well . . . if someone is against progress and innovation . . . maybe they already are a gelding ?

As for the jesus bolt, use one WITHOUT threads going through the main shaft. It'll last longer.

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03-31-2005 12:31 AM  13 years agoPost 102
chaddotcom

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This topic is rediculous, retarted, stupid and should be closed. What %#^$&*% moron wouldnt put a larger motor in their bird.

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03-31-2005 12:51 AM  13 years agoPost 103
chaddotcom

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No worries Lame Bird

BIG BLOCKS RULE!!!!!!!! BIG BLOCKS RULE

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03-31-2005 04:20 AM  13 years agoPost 104
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LameBird,,, Webra has a 120 heli motor, some say it has less power than a 91 because it is setup to burn 10%, but I bet if you added a head shim and burned 30% it would pull harder than a 91,,, guys can put that in their Raptor 50's ..

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03-31-2005 02:36 PM  13 years agoPost 105
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At the local field we were breaking R50 Jesus bolts regularly till we discovered that it is over tightening them that causes them to break.
Just snug them up and the problems went away.
Just for safety all of my 50 size ships have been converted to 4mm, long shank bolts.
Now that I think about it, My Excel gasser has a 3 mm bolt holding the main shaft in, not been a problem.


Jeff Borowski
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03-31-2005 02:49 PM  13 years agoPost 106
kirk

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3mm bolts
Robbe's use 3mm Jesus bolts on both the main gear, and the head. MA also uses a pin that is approximatly 3mm to hold thier auto hubs on, and their heads on (their head also clamps). I belive that KSJ makes a hardend 3mm shanked bolt that would work perfectly in this situation if the 3mm standard raptor bolt worries you. Personally I have never had an issue with a stock raptor Jesus bolt, but I have read about the issues and do not tighten them extremly tight...

Look at the bottom bolts on a freya hub. They are standed (non shanked) 3mm bolts (2 short ones). Does anyone know why those never seem to break?

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03-31-2005 06:46 PM  13 years agoPost 107
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I heard that some people on here are already harrassing the people who are trying to sell the big block conversion. Pretty ridiculous. You are the type of folks who wanted to ban 50 cal rifles saying they are terrorist assault weapons when in fact not one 50 cal was used in a crime, ever. Freakin' nuts.
I say then we ban all R/C helicopters becuase even a micro with carbon blades and a 2200rpm headspeed can severly hurt someone. A 60 size already killed a RunRyder member. Lets all play with stuffed animals.

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03-31-2005 07:20 PM  13 years agoPost 108
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Well, it is not a bad idea...30, 50, 60, 70 or 90 engines in any ship must not exceed 2000 or 2200 RPM's....imagine how responsive and maneuverable a 600mm blade would be with a 90 engine...I don't think it would be more dangerous than a 700mm 90 ship would you?

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03-31-2005 07:28 PM  13 years agoPost 109
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Lets all play with stuffed animals,,, LOL

you know, I'm all up for new things, and I'm all up for performance helis,

but I'm just not up to putting a 90 in a friggen Raptor 30/50..

Jim

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03-31-2005 07:35 PM  13 years agoPost 110
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lol...yeah..putting it that way seems a little off the charts...but imagine a 90 in a 50 with a gv-1 at 2100...absolutly NO RPM drops whatsoever...CHAOS liftoffs would be AWESOME!!!

You've got to admit it would be a SWWEEET machine for advanced pilots!! Same thing Shelby did with those Mustangs!

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03-31-2005 08:07 PM  13 years agoPost 111
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Chavalo/stephen,,, I can see it coming in the next couple generations of helis, helis with tiny, lighter more uniformed frames that are very strong...

Jim

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03-31-2005 08:35 PM  13 years agoPost 112
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"Lets all play with stuffed animals" - hey, those can be dangerous, too - pieces could come off = get swallowed = somebody could choke! (Besides, they spread germs!) Better outlaw those dangerous things, too!

"The helicopter is much easier to design than the aeroplane, but is worthless when done."

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03-31-2005 08:42 PM  13 years agoPost 113
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LMAO!!!
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03-31-2005 09:04 PM  13 years agoPost 114
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I never saw a stuffed animal with a glow motor in it, all the ones I saw had electric motors that took flashlite batteries, putting a glow motor in a stuffed animal would be just to much power. LOL


Jim

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03-31-2005 09:14 PM  13 years agoPost 115
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I suspect that entirely depends on what the stuffed animal is intended to do

Wolfgang

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03-31-2005 09:54 PM  13 years agoPost 116
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Wow, two very divided camps here. Am I the only one who can see both sides of the fence?

I'm all for innovation, expirementation and of course more power. We should all be free to fly whatever we can imagine and build. That's of course assuming that whatever it is we create we'll use responsibly and I'm sure 99% of the people on this board are that kind of person. Unfortunatly the world is full of that other 1% that are just plain dangerous no matter what they're doing.

The other side of the fence that apparantly only I see is that a private club, with a private field on private land. Should have the right to create and enforce any rules they deem neccessary. Right or wrong those are the rules. Doesn't mean you cant build a killer Heli you just have to understand that it's not allowed at that field and that's the right of a private club. Didn't your parents ever tell you that you couldn't do something and you asked why they replied "Because I said so" Doesn't make sense it's just the way it is.

I'm not sure how it is around the rest of the world but here in VT most of the Clubs are flying on private land that the landowner has given them permission to use. I've never heard of anything being banned around here but if it were I'd understand that they were just being cautious about what "could" happen. Admit it, if somebody was flying a hopped up model of any kind, and it had a mechanical failure causing it to crash and hurting somebody we all know that the pilot would be sued, the club, the landowner, the manufacturer and the AMA for allowing such a thing to happen. I'm not saying it's right just that it's the way it is. In the case of private clubs on private land personally I think they have the right to make any rules they see fit whether I agree with them or not.

This is why I fly on my own private land with no spectators, I can fly whatever I want in whatever fashion I want. Like I've said before I think we all should be able to do whatever we please, where this changes is when you start involving other people and "LIABILITY"

Lastly, how can anybody say that installing a larger engine isn't stressing the components any harder? Whats the point of the larger engine......why to increase performance of course. How can you increase power and performance without putting higher stress loads on the components? I cranked up to boost on my car last year from 14 to 22PSI......guess what, the clutch started slipping and I bent the rear halfshafts after a few hard launches......increasing power stresses components. Not that they can't handle it if done responsibly but you should expect a higher failure rate and more periodic maintenance.

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03-31-2005 10:08 PM  13 years agoPost 117
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All too many conservatives use their PERCEPTION of danger as all the excuse they need to ban or be against something. That's where the problem lies. Those that would be restricted by that kind of thinking are, of course, against it.

I will not be happy until those conservatives quit using fear and ignorance to make their decisions.

Wolfgang

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03-31-2005 10:11 PM  13 years agoPost 118
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I think all is well if... the HP does not exceed the owner / pilot's I.Q.

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03-31-2005 10:35 PM  13 years agoPost 119
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Im working on a JetCat HP5 conversion for the Shogun. I can't be bothered with the calcualtions so I'll just ask ya'll to stand back.

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03-31-2005 11:00 PM  13 years agoPost 120
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HAVOC,

I want to be the hand launcher guy!

Don't come off the throttle untill you see your GOD!

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