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12-12-2004 07:01 PM  13 years agoPost 1
hingus2000

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Hi

I can fly a hummingbird reasonably well, and now i am really motivated to move into the bigger models.

What should i be looking at (preferably around 30 size)

Hawk sport?
raptor 30?
calibre 30?

Which radio? i think i can use the basic servos that come with it to start cant i?

id probably use a gy401 gyro,

erm then there is all this mention of fuel mixes and engines and stuff.

after flying an fp hummingbird, this is the bti that is new to me, basically caring for a fuel engine.

any suggestions are appreciated.

Tom

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12-12-2004 09:40 PM  13 years agoPost 2
Rappy da Raptor

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At the moment i am flying a Raptor 50 with standard servos (futaba 3003) and it was flying very well today

I run magnum 10% Heli fuel. And use a OS 50 Hyper

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12-12-2004 09:55 PM  13 years agoPost 3
copperclad

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hi
i started on a piccolo and then got a raptor 30 package with a tt-39 engine , i like it , it's a good idea to see what people in your area are flying as they will be familiar with your equipment , going to a fueled engine you will need besides the battery charger you have now a field box with the following
starter wand
starter motor
starter battery
glo starter
fuel pump
this would be a minimum setup to get you running at the feild and there are a ton of other things you will end up with , like glo starter charger ,ect , ect , ect
i'm sure others will jump in with sugestions
enjoy the fun has just started

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12-13-2004 01:31 AM  13 years agoPost 4
Bobby Watts

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RAPTOR 30

Cheap, parts available everywhere, and are very reliable and tough. Cant go wrong with one to start off with.

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12-13-2004 01:37 AM  13 years agoPost 5
slow

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Yea, as someone mentioned above, you really should look at what the more experienced people in the area are familiar with, so you know what kit they know the best.

If your out of luck finding local people to help you, I'm favoring the Caliber 30. When set up with RRS, it's extremely stable.
I learned on one by myself, only got an experienced guy to check my setup first (very important). The Caliber 30 model in XTR is also very lifelike imho, which helps a bunch.

The Raptor 30 is (as far as I understand) just as simple/easy heli, so I do believe you should go with either one of these..

/James

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12-13-2004 01:39 AM  13 years agoPost 6
Ted Toth

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Hawk sport?
find what is flown locally
they are basically the same for the beginner
it is easier for some to help you if you fly the same ship as they do
other than that it is your choice each different one may have something
that appeals to you, then go with that combination

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12-13-2004 01:56 AM  13 years agoPost 7
Chem Geek

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Caliber 30!

While you should find out what people fly, dont' be limited by that. A good modeler can help you with the basics on just about anything I would think. But they can probably help you more if you get the same model they have.

I had a Hawk Sport, which is nice, but the Caliber is better in my opinion. Of course it costs more and Hawk with the added money in upgrades is nice too. The Caliber is quiet, pretty darn easy to setup, and with the RRS mode setup as slow said it's very stable. Switch it back to standard and it has no problems flipping about.

Radio: Get the best you can right now, so you won't have to worry about it later. I'd say Futaba 9C, or 9303 if you like JR stuff. If you need to save some money in this area, the Eclipse works really well and is a good deal for the price.

Gyro: GY401/9254, just get it, and be done with it. Works great, will get you really far into 3D (if that's what you want to do) before you even have to think about a better gyro. CSM makes nice ones as well, but they don't readily fit in the Caliper (Had a 540 that was great, traded for the 401, which holds as well, and is even simpler to setup)

Engine: OS37or TT39, pay a little more, and get more power in your heli, will maybe last you a little longer before you feel the need to upgrade to a 50-90 size bird.

Field Equipment: Just the usual stuff, but it's nice to have a glow start with a needle on it, so you know if the plug is dead without having to take it out. Get a starter shaft with a one-way to start with, and save yourself some trouble. Aside from that, you can get a field box with a power panel and all that stuff. The way I went was I got the electric starter with a battery pack, a Dubro fillin station. It's a fuel bottle topper with fuel pump, and option glow starter, although it doesn't have a needle. The rest I carry with me is tools and such.

Something to think about is, if you can already handle basic flight maneuvers, you might like a 50 size model better. It wouldn't cost that much more to begin with, and you get a lot more use out of it. These nitro models are a lot more stable than a micro electric.

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12-13-2004 05:27 AM  13 years agoPost 8
rcsoar4fun

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I have flown the crap out of my Hawk and love it. Survives crashes pretty well too . The raptor is popular, and compares well to the Hawk. However, the Hawk with $100 worth of upgrades is the same price as the hawk but a lot sweeter.

Kristopher

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12-13-2004 05:56 AM  13 years agoPost 9
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Hi Tom, because you said you can fly, I say get a Raven, even a Raven 50 if you can come up with the extra money, a Raven 50 can take you well into 3D.

Jim

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12-13-2004 06:28 AM  13 years agoPost 10
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Hmm.. After reading a bit more.. Since you can fly, I'd recommend the Caliber 30 even more..

Switching over from RRS to FRS when you've mastered the basics turns the Caliber into a fairly capable 3D machine. And that's straight out of the box.
Only thing I've done with my Caliber is to slap some carbon blades on it to reduce the risk of boom-strikes, and it 3Ds pretty well. Actually, very well for a 30 size.

/James

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12-16-2004 02:34 AM  13 years agoPost 11
jake7030

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could i use my 240 gyro from my hummer

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12-16-2004 03:07 AM  13 years agoPost 12
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I would also recommend the Caliber 30 very good machine. It flys very smooth and can be quite aigle if needed. Also a 50 cnoversion is out when the time comes. I have converted two now.

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12-16-2004 11:09 AM  13 years agoPost 13
hingus2000

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hey thanks for all the replies.,

as soon as i get a decent part time job, ill start saving. (gotta wait till feb when im 16)

its mainly the starting of engines and just the engine stuff that i am new to, the flying and electronics side ill be fine. All this talk of starters and field boxes with spark plugs etc confuses me.

Also, i am a bit intrigued as to how cp helis are controlled. Because it is the pitch that varies, how do you increase throttle? i know the throttle and pitch stick are merged somehow, but that confuses me a bit, and also all this talk of idle up. and how do you give it neg pitch?

Tom

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12-16-2004 11:24 AM  13 years agoPost 14
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Actually, it sounds like you understand it better than you think!

The radio mixes the throttle and collective together. When in normal mode, you throttle goes from idle (bottom of stick) to full (top of stick). At the same time, the collective goes from 0 degrees of pitch to 10 degrees of pitch.

When you use an idle-up (AKA stunt mode) your throttle is shaped like a "V": Full throttle at the bottom and top, but half throttle at half stick. The pitch is set to go from -10 degrees to +10 degrees at the same time.

This is all done in the radio. You set up the mechanics to have the full pitch range all the time. Then in the radio you electronically limit the movement to acheive the effect you want. That is where the "throttle curve" and "pitch curve" come into play.

For simply throwing the heli around the sky, normal mode give you a nice controlled hover and idle-up is for stunts. Most radios today provide for more than one idle-up, which is useful for FAI/F3C flying.

FAI/F3C is a competition where hovering and forward flight are as important as stunts. Most people will use normal for hovering, idle-up 1 for forward flight, idle-up 2 for stall turns and the like, and idle-up 3 for loops, rolls, and other forms of 3D. The differences between the modes are the head speed, as controlled by the throttle, and the pitch range the head goes through.
Also, i am a bit intrigued as to how cp helis are controlled. Because it is the pitch that varies, how do you increase throttle? i know the throttle and pitch stick are merged somehow, but that confuses me a bit, and also all this talk of idle up. and how do you give it neg pitch?

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12-16-2004 11:26 AM  13 years agoPost 15
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raptor 350 is better to start up

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12-21-2004 07:13 PM  13 years agoPost 16
Billy Zimmerman

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Good Luck on whatever you choose and have fun!

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12-31-2004 04:05 AM  13 years agoPost 17
Mr.FlyBye

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First Heli Reply
Hi hingus i am a new heli flyier my first heli was one i found in a pawn shop i have been flying planes for two years but there was just something about the helis that i needed to try one.The first thing was to buy a sim but sounds like you are way past that since you already fly electrics.my first was a Concept 30 Dx had a friend help me with the setup and after 9/10 months on the sim G-2 i was ready to give it a try set up the vidio camera on a tripod and away i went. I actualy impressed myself first time i hovered right in front of the camera did some nose in hovering did a couple of circles and landed my sixth tank of fuel i got a little brazin brought her staight in spun it around to land nose away from me broke the right rear training gear ended up replaceing the tail pitch slider ,rear and main blades repair cost wasnt bad $45.00 or so but had a hard time finding the parts for such an old heli.Which leads me back to youre question i Bought the Raptor 50V2 in the kit built it my self now i know just what i got and how good shes put together it flies fantastic reasonably in expensive to repair to from what i hear.and im sure i will find out for myself the repair cost later to as i am a 3-D wanabe.Cause if you cant afford to crash you cant afford to fly so heres wishing you luck with whatever you buy .

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