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12-06-2004 10:46 PM  13 years agoPost 1
iskoos

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I installed XTR on my my office computer today.
The computer I have here is Dell Precision work station P4 @ 2.4Ghz 1.0GB ram and Radeon VE graphic card

It feels definitely better however I am still having problems;

1. Frame rate doesn't go above 15fps.
2. It still takes about 15-20 sec to reset the screen after crash.
3. Sometimes, screen freezes. Just like you crashe but it happens before heli hits the ground.

It this normal?

P.S. I tried v-sync off and it made it worse.

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12-06-2004 10:49 PM  13 years agoPost 2
iskoos

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One more thing
And I forgot to add this. Sometimes, the tail goes out of control and ironically I realize that the tail blades are not spinning.
What's that mean?

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12-06-2004 10:56 PM  13 years agoPost 3
Saint728

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The computer your using is all right for XTR, but your graphics card is not. You might want to download the latest drivers for it? I think if you buy yourself a way better graphics card you will have a great time on XTR. The Radeon VE is on the low end of cards.

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12-06-2004 11:00 PM  13 years agoPost 4
iskoos

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12-06-2004 11:00 PM  13 years agoPost 5
iskoos

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I was affraid of that. How come G2 works just fine with the same computer or even with slower one but XRT doesn't.

I guess this real physic backgorund requires lot more than I thought.

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12-06-2004 11:03 PM  13 years agoPost 6
iskoos

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How about tail
Then how do we explain this tail issue. Tail blades don't spin sometimes. Why does this happen? Any idea?

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12-06-2004 11:37 PM  13 years agoPost 7
Saint728

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I realize that the tail blades are not spinning.
I'm not sure? It could be caused by the graphics card not being able to handle so it just looks like the tail blades stop? I would try the new graphics card first, then see if you have problems? I think if you get a good graphics card all your problems will go away. I'm sure you will be able to find a good one for around $300.00 or so.

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12-06-2004 11:52 PM  13 years agoPost 8
skybeater

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iskoos,
I too believe you are just having problems because of low end video cards. I am using a Nvidia 5700FX Ultra and it was about $185 about a year ago. It has 8X agp 128MB video memory and I am running smooth 60fpm with V-Sync on. Over 200 with V-Sync off. Sometimes it might go down to 30fpm in V-Sync if some other programs start running in the background.

I have seen Nvidia has another card out that is similiar 5700 FX LE I think. Looks like the specs are the same and I have seen it under $175 at Best Buy. Don't know about today though. Search of the internet may help. Check out this site:

http://www.reflex-sim.dyndns.org/re...p?faqPath=15_16

Cant say why G2 runs with less slowing down problems, maybe something in the programming and/or graphics protocal. I have noticed in g-2 that you can fly through things and the images as I recall never changed in deminsion as you flew closer or further away from objects llike you see in XTR. XTR might just be more graphics memory demanding.

Tracy

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12-07-2004 12:56 AM  13 years agoPost 9
Drunk Monk

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The tail blades stop at random times to simulate a tail failure. Also the engine will sometimes stop. Press F6 and look under the General tab to disable them or alter the interval.


Stephen

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12-07-2004 01:35 AM  13 years agoPost 10
pH7

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Also, it is possible in a "close" encounter between heli and earth to do damage to the tail causing it to stop working. Don't bother asking me how I know.

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12-07-2004 01:16 PM  13 years agoPost 11
RotorX

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try this

download latest video drivers

install and test dirextX

turn off v-sync

Run it in a window @ 800x600 screen res, if that works then try 1024x768 in a window.


good luck

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12-07-2004 02:24 PM  13 years agoPost 12
iskoos

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Thanks for the help.
First, I'll try to download the latest driver for my video card and see what happens.

As for the tail blades, I am pretty sure it is not to stimulate tail failure because it happens before I take off when the heli is spooling up.
And it happens very often. So there should be something else. I'll check F6 menu as Drunk Monk suggested though.

RotorX,

800x600 is not offered by XTR. I alredy picked the min resolution from XTR menu and it was above that I don't remember right now.
Did you mean change the resolution in windows display properties menu?
Because I am using 21" monitor and if I go for 800x600 the objects will be ridiculously big.

And sainte728, skybeater,

I hear you guys but I don't want to spend couple hundred bucks for a video card now. So I'll try and see if I can get this working.

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12-07-2004 03:50 PM  13 years agoPost 13
Drunk Monk

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There should be options as low as 640X400X16 in the menu's.

One thing that can cause the tail blades to stop on spooling up is by giving full negative on the deck. Try making sure that the collective stick is kept around mid stick while taking off.


Stephen

I only open my mouth to change feet.....

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12-07-2004 04:12 PM  13 years agoPost 14
MRC-Hirobo

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The tail stopping on startup is due to a too short of a tail fin and the tail blades colliding with the ground. We will have an RMK editied version of the heli you are using (Raptor Tuning 50V2) available shortly. In the mean time just lift the collective a little bit when starting up and you will be fine. It is a glitch.

Try this for your video settings: Get the latest drivers then go into the scenery/ panorama resolution and lower it to the 4080 x 2048 setting. Then if you need to go to the simulation/display mode during simulation, select full screen display with active resolution and try that. If that still is too slow, then lower the resolution but continue to use the full screeen. Leave the V-sync on, it is smoother. The resolution in the simulation screen adjusts the models resolution only. The scenery adjustment does the panoramic resolution. You will not really see the difference between full and low setting.

Many forgot that when G2 came out, new video cards were required as well. Mine was 240.00 at that time. Today if you need a new one, I believe the 5200's or even the 9600's are substantially less.

Thanks

jeff

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12-07-2004 10:53 PM  13 years agoPost 15
iskoos

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Drunk Monk,

What you are saying didn't make any sense at all but it did work. Just like you said if I keep the pitch/throttle stick at mid point, tail never stops. I didn't understand the logic but thanks for the hint. It is working.

And yes I lowered the resolution down to 800x600,16 and it is lot smoother right now and it doesn't freeze on me. Model resolution is reduced alot you can't tell the difference for scenery though. Maybe I didn't pay attention. I am sure I am getting higher frame rate but since I am running full screen, I can't read it. Is there any way to see the fps while running full screen mode?

And how do I call the menu bar when running full screen mode? I almost hit every single key to get out of it and don't know how I did it.

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12-07-2004 10:57 PM  13 years agoPost 16
pH7

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When you are full screen, the Esc key or right mouse button will get you out. You can run in a window, but maximize the window to see the performance.

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12-07-2004 11:26 PM  13 years agoPost 17
iskoos

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Thanks pH7, I finally figured that out myself. "ESC" is the key.

Well guys,

it is much much better and smoother right now and I started enjoying it for the first time. But one thing didn't change and not even improved. That is the reset time. It still takes heck of a time to reset after crashes.
It is so boring to wait. I would say average wait time is 25-30 sec.
So isn't there a way to get rid of this(other than buying a new video card). The only thing I haven't done is to update the driver. I tried, but windows didn't find newer driver than that was already installed. Not very convincing. The current driver has a date of 12/5/2001.

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12-07-2004 11:28 PM  13 years agoPost 18
Heli-Driver

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The nVidia 5200 runs XTR great, it can be had for less than $80.00 US if you shop it a bit.



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12-08-2004 02:14 AM  13 years agoPost 19
skybeater

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iskoos,

You can download a program called "FRAPS" at:

http://www.fraps.com/downloads.htm

This program can be run before starting XTR and it will show you FPM on your "Full Screen Mode" in the top right hand corner.
Just be sure to set all the settings to FRAPS to show how you want it to measure fpm

Tracy

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12-08-2004 12:47 PM  13 years agoPost 20
Drunk Monk

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What you are saying didn't make any sense at all but it did work
When you give full negative while on the floor you can see the heli sink into the ground alittle further, this causes the tail blades to strike the floor. Lilke MRC-Hirobo says, the problem is the tail fin is too short. You could use the RMK to make the fin longer but it's alittle over complicated. I just keep the stick in the middle after a crash. There is an option, possibly under modify simulator parameters, that says how long to wait inbetween crashes. If you can find it, try lowering it, I heard somebody say they put 0.2 in there to speed it up. Mine is set to 1 second.


Stephen

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