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HelicopterHIROBOOther › Unpopular view of the X-Spec versus the Plastic​Freya
10-22-2004 03:27 PM  13 years agoPost 1
Zomby Flier

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I do not understand why we end-up spending about $300 more on an X-Spec instead of going to the plain vanilla plastic Freya ????

The difference in weight is small enough to be indistinguishable with the extra power today's engines have, the flight chracteristics are practically identical, yet the plastic Freya is cheaper in case of a crash plus it is somewhat more friendly for maintenance (especially the engine, clutch, etc,).....

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10-22-2004 03:36 PM  13 years agoPost 2
Dr Lodge

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I'll stick with the plastic Freya and upgrade the necesary parts, unless money was no object course.

Vibe 90, Vibe 50, Vigor CS x2,
Dyna-x, Knight 503D, Logo 10,
TRex 500, Furion, Gaui EP200

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10-22-2004 03:36 PM  13 years agoPost 3
MrDHEJ

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The carbon side frames add a ton of strength and makes it more rigid, the X-Spec also come with hardware that the "plastic" freya does not, like 3rd bearing block, delrin gears, stronger stiffer yoke, aluminum slide and pin block, all of which is really needed for hard 3D, and there's probably something else i'm forgetting atm. Can the plastic freya handle hard 3d? sure, but the X-Spec will do it better, last longer, without much fear of tearing the heli apart in the air. If you bought all those upgrades seperate it would cost close to $600 on top of a plastic freya.

That's why the X-Spec was created. Jeff Green took all the parts EVERYONE was replacing because they couldn't handle the extra power and abuse, and did us a HUGE favor by making the X-Spec kit to save us lots of $$$.

Maintance is super easy on the X-Spec. Engine comes right out the bottom in under 5 min, prob 2 min if i hurry.

Never go full retard!

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10-22-2004 03:45 PM  13 years agoPost 4
MrDHEJ

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Oh yeah, carbon vertical and horizontal fins, carbon rudder pushrod, aluminim oneway bearing holder, better switch mount, EX hardend main shaft, push-pull collective, and EX engine mount. The EX main shaft can actully survive a crash!

Add all those up and see if you would really mind spending an extra $300

And it looks better.

Never go full retard!

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10-22-2004 03:48 PM  13 years agoPost 5
Andi G

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Hi,

I'm considering an X-Spec too, and while it has a lot of nice EX parts it comes with quite a lot of plastic for a $850 machine too.

Here is a list of X-Spec stuff I'd add sooner or later to a stock Freya:

7.91 gear ratio
EX Washout and Radius Blocks
EX Motor Mount
EX 95T Main Gear and 17T Counter Gear
Thrid Bearing Block with Bearing
New Low height plastic landing gear
EX Push Pull collective conversion set

And maybe also:
EX Hardened Main shaft
EX 5mm Carbon tail control rod
EX Carbon Tail fins

Carbon Fiber Lower Main Frames, locknuts and hex screws are nice add ons too. I think if you like nice alu parts get the X-Spec. If you are looking for a beater ship the stock Freya 90 should do fine, but I'd add at least pushpull pitch lever and 3rd bearing block.

Andi

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10-22-2004 04:41 PM  13 years agoPost 6
Zomby Flier

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You can buy a 90 upgrade set (Derlin main gear, hardened main shaft, clutch pinion) from MRC for $ 50, which are a must for hard 3D on a 90 engine! Even taking these extra $50 into account, the cost difference is larger than $300!

I agree all the rest of the upgrade parts are very expensive, but IMHO add almost nothing to the flight characteristics. As for durability and hard 3D, have you seen DrScoles fly a plain vanilla plastic Freya (in the past - I am sure today he too flys an X-Spec ).....

So why so many of us (including myself) are paying these extra $300 (which is more than half of another Stock freya).....

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10-22-2004 05:09 PM  13 years agoPost 7
Jeff H

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As for durability and hard 3D, have you seen DrScoles fly a plain vanilla plastic Freya (in the past - I am sure today he too flys an X-Spec ).....
More than likley, he's flying a Fury Extreme or Tempest these days.


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10-22-2004 05:11 PM  13 years agoPost 8
I3DM

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Hey Danny Yalin (Zomby Flier),

if you want, ill trade you a stock 90 for your X-spec.

www.liorzahavi.com

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10-22-2004 05:54 PM  13 years agoPost 9
Zomby Flier

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Lior - you should probably know very well that although you are a "proud member of the good guy list", based on your past reputation.... there is simply no chance I will do any deals with you

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10-22-2004 06:06 PM  13 years agoPost 10
AndyH

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Then don't spend it! Sheesh! That's why you have a choice. I know that I spent way over $300 on my plastic Freya to get it to a point where I felt comfortable putting a 90 in it and I didn't get anywhere near the amount of stuff I got in the Xspec kit. Also, I find the Xspec easier to work on - especially the engine mount and fan.

Xspec's are awesome heli's that are an improvement on an already awesome heli.

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10-22-2004 06:23 PM  13 years agoPost 11
Henrik Engert

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Cedar Park, TX

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Crap

Crap, have I been fooled into buying a XSpec!

I picked the XSpec due to its price compared to other helicopters in the same class.

It has a lot of nice parts that will last longer than the standard Freya.

I will probably add a Black Shark 3 fuselage to mine later and saving some weight by using the carbon can make a difference. The carbon is also very very stiff.

Now, if I could only finish building mine....

-Hinke

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10-22-2004 06:24 PM  13 years agoPost 12
mrNoodles

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We´re fooled...

You could get a Freya90 directly instead of buying the MRC 90 promo kit.
Then you´ll get some 680 FRP blades also.

And when going 90 in a Freya, Id get:

1piece engine mount
3rd bearing
collective pushpull
EX radiusblock

For 3D the EX yoke is nice also, stiffens up the head a bit, though I know I3DM has great sucess with the CV V1 dampers and the plastic yoke.

All newer Freyas comes with the white low rider gears.

So if considering the part I mentioned as a upgrade for a std. Freya it wont be much difference in price between those two.

/Fredrik
'Hm now I just have to find out where to connect the GV1 sensor to the Jazz80 ESC.

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10-22-2004 09:25 PM  13 years agoPost 13
Dr Lodge

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X-specs are hard to come by too, esp if you live outside the US.

Vibe 90, Vibe 50, Vigor CS x2,
Dyna-x, Knight 503D, Logo 10,
TRex 500, Furion, Gaui EP200

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10-23-2004 08:25 AM  13 years agoPost 14
Zomby Flier

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I guess, for most of us mortals, the plastic Freya is the way to go at around $500. The $300 savings, could be used for simply getting a second one...

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10-23-2004 09:08 AM  13 years agoPost 15
mrNoodles

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Freya90 costs the same here in Sweden as a XSpec in the US

Also a Freya90 cost ~$700 at Ishiimokei (Freya60 ~$660 and the you´ll have to get the MRC Promo for another $50) including CC fees(and they prices are quite good for being Asia).
Than add somewhere around $100 for the shipping.

In both cases the Freya has costed $800.
So I cant tell for sure that I didnt mind paying another $40 for the XSpec and $70 for shipping.

And if you wants to add some of the XSpec upgrades to your Freya90 you´re way over $1000

0404716 - ENGINE MOUNT EAGLE WC BLUE $44.44
0404730 - RADIUS BLOCK BLUE CNC $26.40
0414225 - YOKE $87.12
0414229 - FREYA METAL AUTO HUB $34.32
0414220 - T TYPE PITCH LEVER SET $41.36
0414198 - FREYA SWITCH PLATE $6.95
0404618 - BEARING HOLDER 19MM $23.94
2500049 - BEARING 10 X 19 X 5ZZ $9.95 (for 1 bearing)
Total: ~$274.87

(prices above is from Rick´s)

/Fredrik
'Hm now I just have to find out where to connect the GV1 sensor to the Jazz80 ESC.

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10-23-2004 11:29 AM  13 years agoPost 16
Zomby Flier

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In the US you can buy a Freya 60 for $500 (e.g. MTAHobbies), and I am preaty sure you could probably get it cheaper in the far east (Honk-Kong, etc, although shipment costs may turn this option more expesnive).

In Israel, like Sweden, a plastic Freya-90 (not 60) costs roughly like an X-Spec in the US. However, it is more than $400 cheaper than the Israeli price for an X-Spec!!!! Still, my guess is most people today buy the X-Spec because of the common beleif (that I disagree to) that it is MUCH better....

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10-23-2004 01:21 PM  13 years agoPost 17
mrNoodles

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Better and better...

If you gonna change or upgrade some of the parts I added in my last post the price difference isnt that much and the case is more of the opposite, it´ll be cheaper than a upgraded Freya

And as you say, if I bought the parts and a Freya90 in Sweden to convert it into an XSpec I would´ve paid somewhere around $400-500 more than I paid when I bought my from Rick´s (and then I calcuted the cost with CarbonXtreme lower frames and not the Hirobo ones that almost costs an arm and a leg here in Sweden )

/Fredrik
'Hm now I just have to find out where to connect the GV1 sensor to the Jazz80 ESC.

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10-23-2004 01:49 PM  13 years agoPost 18
I3DM

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Israel

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Bottom line of this thread - we are all fools.

Hey Danny, do you know me already ? when we talked on the phone you didnt seem to recognize my name...

www.liorzahavi.com

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